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Waste of money. Blind tests have proved that nothing over MP3/AAC at 256kbps (as long as you use a high-quality encoder like LAME) can make a perceptible difference to the human ear in terms of sound quality, and Realtek's ALC889 is currently the best integrated soundcard, better than VIA's solutions. You won't notice a difference. Not even with expensive audio equipment.

All these people that keep buying dedicated soundcards nowadays are just more victims of the placebo effect.
I agree.

I can't help but laugh at people who spend money on soundcards when sound comes for free in the first place. I feel bad for the victims of this marketing scheme and the misinformed people who actively spread it.

The reason I use a Essence ST is because of it's onboard amp and replaceable opamps, something that onboard does not have. It is also a very cost effective solution for headphones. The quality this card produces easily meets or exceeds much more expensive headphone amps in this price range. (~$200)

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Besides obviously being wrong..I'd like to see some
When you label someone as being incorrect you are the one who is supposed to prove them wrong. Anyways, here you go:

Do Higher MP3 Bit Rates Pay Off?

Head-Fi ABX Test of 320kbps VS FLAC - Results

Good luck arguing against an informed audiophile community who goes against your misinformed views.

Steam Hardware & Software Survey: February 2011

According to you, gamers on Steam's Hardware Survey should all be using discrete soundcards, but they're not.

I find the arrogance and ignorance of some members of this forum intriguing. There's also a term for those type of people, a Armchair Philosopher.

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Wait so is VIA crap? Should I get a dedicated sound card for my Promedia 2.1?


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I'm running ProMedia 2.1 on my laptop, they sound great albeit having to increase the volume higher compared to discrete sound.

The ProMedia 2.1 are self powered, you do not need a soundcard. What is important is your source, e.g. lossy, lossless.
Edited by AzO - 3/1/11 at 8:26pm
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I laugh at the fact that you would say that theres no differents in sound quailty over onboard audio and addon cards.

I hear a big differents between onboard audio and addon cards. I find it funny that some one with onboard audio who prolly never used a decent addon card tell me I hearing something that not there. I owned many other sound cards before then, Even with the same op-amps they all sound different do to the components that are used on the sound card.

The same LME4562 op-amp when used on the prelude sound totally different when it used on say a bravura or even a Xonar HDAV1.3

It comes down to your source and then your speakers. You and AZO must have bad hearing if you can not tell the difference's. You might need to get your ears clean out or check to see if your deaf.

Because if you cant hear the different between your STX and onboard audio then theres something wrong with you.

If you pair good sound card with cheap speakers, or cheap sound card with good speakers/headphones of course your not gonna hear the differents. But then there are people who will never tell the differences because they just cant. From the sound of that, Azo and Lol_wut fit into that group.

I can clear hear the differnets between using AD700 that I had on onboard audio and sound card. I had to use the AD700 on onboard audio at one point becuase I was waiting for a sound card. Sounded so horrible on onboard audio Wheres the Sblive 24bit sound much better.

now Digital is where your both your comments only apply to but analog is where it doesnt.
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I laugh at the fact that you would say that theres no differents in sound quailty over onboard audio and addon cards.
I don't mean to spoil the fun for you but.......when did I ever say there is no difference between onboard and discrete sound?
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Buy a Xonar Essence STX from any local store that will let you return it. See for yourself. Btw, I wouldn't go lower than the Essence STX cause computer sound cards are kinda like the tip of the ice berg. You probably know a lot more than me about external DACs and amps and receivers. Cause I know nothing, just that they're terribly expensive and supposedly go beyond our lowly PC sound cards.
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I agree.

I can't help but laugh at people who spend money on soundcards when sound comes for free in the first place. I feel bad for the victims of this marketing scheme and the misinformed people who actively spread it.

The reason I use a Essence ST is because of it's onboard amp and replaceable opamps, something that onboard does not have. It is also a very cost effective solution for headphones. The quality this card produces easily meets or exceeds much more expensive headphone amps in this price range. (~$200)



When you label someone as being incorrect you are the one who is supposed to prove them wrong. Anyways, here you go:

Do Higher MP3 Bit Rates Pay Off?

Head-Fi ABX Test of 320kbps VS FLAC - Results

Good luck arguing against an informed audiophile community who goes against your misinformed views.

Steam Hardware & Software Survey: February 2011

According to you, gamers on Steam's Hardware Survey should all be using discrete soundcards, but they're not.

I find the arrogance and ignorance of some members of this forum intriguing. There's also a term for those type of people, a Armchair Philosopher.



I'm running ProMedia 2.1 on my laptop, they sound great albeit having to increase the volume higher compared to discrete sound.

The ProMedia 2.1 are self powered, you do not need a soundcard. What is important is your source, e.g. lossy, lossless.
There are so many things wrong with the links you've provided that I'm not even sure where to begin.

First of all, on the head-fi link he was using "Shure SE530's connected to the headphone jack on my computer."

That's the first thing wrong. On the Maximum PC link, they were using a "Creative X-fi card" and did not even tell us which. They could have been using an XtremeGamer for all we know.

I'm not even going to go on. Even on the Head-fi link there were arguments against what he was saying. While 320kbps and FLAC are much harder to differentiate, saying there is no difference and that our ears are incapable of telling a difference is simply false. This is even more apparent with different output sources.

Talk about armchair philosopher. You've perfectly defined yourself here.

On top of that, these aren't at all scientific discoveries that are highly documented and proven to be true. These are simply links of some people believing that the difference is difficult to hear. Do you know how many people will say the opposite?

I'm not saying the ShureSE530s are bad, but it's a different world when you're listening to those same files through speakers or even headphones.

Some people on this very forum can't stand to listen to MP3s anymore after hearing their FLAC files.

So from 256kbps to over 1000 kbps, I'm going to say, yes, there is a difference and MY EARS notice them.
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Can't we all just.... get along?

First, I want to thank those of you who have provided your opinion, especially those backed by facts.

Second, after reading and doing some investigating of my own, I've found that I will definitely benefit from having a soundcard.

The 890FX has really good onboard sound, but that doesn't mean it's better than a dedicated soundcard. And that's what I'm finding. I'll either being going Asus or Creative, I think. Probably between 1-150 bucks.
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Can't we all just.... get along?

First, I want to thank those of you who have provided your opinion, especially those backed by facts.

Second, after reading and doing some investigating of my own, I've found that I will definitely benefit from having a soundcard.

The 890FX has really good onboard sound, but that doesn't mean it's better than a dedicated soundcard. And that's what I'm finding. I'll either being going Asus or Creative, I think. Probably between 1-150 bucks.


If your top limit is 150 and you're a gamer, I would grab the Titanium HD's for 150 135 on Amazon.


They're also not bad for music neither and the cost savings is really tempting. If you're more geared towards music though and have a nice pair of headphones that could benefit from the amp in the STX, I would grab the ST/X...but they're 180+ typically unless you get it open box then you might score one for 150. Check the Online Deals section for more info on that.
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If your top limit is 150 and you're a gamer, I would grab the Titanium HD's for 150 135 on Amazon.

Amazon.com: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD Internal Sound Card with THX SB1270: Electronics

They're also not bad for music neither and the cost savings is really tempting. If you're more geared towards music though and have a nice pair of headphones that could benefit from the amp in the STX, I would grab the ST/X...but they're 180+ typically unless you get it open box then you might score one for 150. Check the Online Deals section for more info on that.


I like that one! Hmmmmm. Not only does have pretty good specs, but it'll look killer in a reverse-ATX setup. Price is reasonable too. If you were a woman, I'd make sweet, sweet love to you.
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There are so many things wrong with the links you've provided that I'm not even sure where to begin.

First of all, on the head-fi link he was using "Shure SE530's connected to the headphone jack on my computer."

That's the first thing wrong. On the Maximum PC link, they were using a "Creative X-fi card" and did not even tell us which. They could have been using an XtremeGamer for all we know.

I'm not even going to go on. Even on the Head-fi link there were arguments against what he was saying. While 320kbps and FLAC are much harder to differentiate, saying there is no difference and that our ears are incapable of telling a difference is simply false. This is even more apparent with different output sources.

Talk about armchair philosopher. You've perfectly defined yourself here.

On top of that, these aren't at all scientific discoveries that are highly documented and proven to be true. These are simply links of some people believing that the difference is difficult to hear. Do you know how many people will say the opposite?

I'm not saying the ShureSE530s are bad, but it's a different world when you're listening to those same files through speakers or even headphones.

Some people on this very forum can't stand to listen to MP3s anymore after hearing their FLAC files.

So from 256kbps to over 1000 kbps, I'm going to say, yes, there is a difference and MY EARS notice them.
Are you saying the problem lies in the listening medium he used and if he used something different, say full size headphones, he would have noticed a difference between 320kbps mp3 and FLAC?

Point is, blind test after test, unless the listener knows what to look for in a song it is virtually impossible for him/her to differentiate between high quality mp3 and lossless. There are a ton of blind ABX test performed on Head-Fi. To disregard the entire argument by saying "oh he was using IEMs" is a poor reason to support your own argument.

Your perceived improvement between lossy and lossless is purely psychological as you know before hand the quality of the source you're listening to. Just like a fancy $1000 of bourdeux french wine vs a $100 of California Napa wine. Unless you go through a blind ABX test there is no way of knowing what you say is true, because you can say whatever you want to support your position.
Edited by AzO - 3/2/11 at 8:50am
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I like that one! Hmmmmm. Not only does have pretty good specs, but it'll look killer in a reverse-ATX setup. Price is reasonable too. If you were a woman, I'd make sweet, sweet love to you.
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