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Hey everyone.

I used to do regular SLR photography for three years in school, and while this was a while ago, I wanted to get into DSLR photography. I currently have a P&S Nikon Coolpix S210, and while it's great for some candid shots with friends, it isn't good enough for what I'm doing with my life at all at the moment.

Right now I review cosmetics and skincare products, and I make videos for youtube. I currently use my Logitech C910 for filming videos, and I use the Coolpix S210 for photos, but the macro mode on the camera is utterly terrible, and I've decided the best bet is for me to replace both my webcam and P&S camera with a decent DSLR.

For my price range, I've been looking at the Nikon D3100 and the Canon T1i (both with the kit lens) for starting out. I don't know really which one to choose.. and I'm kind of new to this.

I definitely need something that can take great focused shots of small items, but I need something that also is good enough for videos. I've been kind of leaning towards the T1i because test footage I've seen of it on several sites makes it look incredible for low light situations, and it doesn't seem to have as much of the "jello" effect on camera, as the D3100 does. I noticed both have a very loud auto-focus and no external mic input but I can always deal with that with voiceovers or recording on a separate source.

Does anyone have any recommendations for me between these two cameras, or any within the same price range? The max I'd like to go would be around $800 which I know both of these cameras are less than, but I definitely need a good memory card as well as a decent camera bag as well.

Thanks everyone!
Edited by sets - 2/28/11 at 5:11pm
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It's a matter of preference between Nikon and Canon. Both are excellent. I would try to get some face time with both cameras and see which fits best. You should know that with with either camera, you'll need a macro lens for macro shots. DSLRs aren't like P&S with a "macro mode;" they require an actual macro lens.

And the jello effect with Nikon is only apparent with significant horizontal movement. And as for a mic input, the Canon T2i has an external one, so you might consider that with a Rode or Sennheiser shotgun mic.

As for lenses, you could get the body plus kit lens and a decent macro lens, though it will probably put you over $800, any lighting setup not withstanding.
Edited by GoneTomorrow - 2/28/11 at 5:24pm
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It's a matter of preference between Nikon and Canon. Both are excellent. I would try to get some face time with both cameras and see which fits best. You should know that with with either camera, you'll need a macro lens for macro shots. DSLRs aren't like P&S with a "macro mode;" they require an actual macro lens.

And the jello effect with Nikon is only apparent with significant horizontal movement. And as for a mic input, the Canon T2i has an external one, so you might consider that with a Rode or Sennheiser shotgun mic.

As for lenses, you could get the body plus kit lens and a decent macro lens, though it will probably put you over $800, any lighting setup not withstanding.
Thanks for your response. I actually didn't know I had to have a macro-specific lens to be able to take macro shots, I'll have to keep that in mind too. It's been so long since I've done anything with different lens / filters, so I'll have to read up again on it all.

I think for video I'm really leaning towards the Canon series, especially now that you mentioned that the T2i does have an external mic input. I didn't realize it and it's just a bit more than the T1i.

Looks like my budget will somehow get broken though, LOL
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Gone, I am also considering getting the 200$ Sennheizer shotgun mic although I only have a t1i, which does not appear to have any mic input. So I will be limited to using my external mic with my 1080p camcorder.

This really limits the functionality of the t1i's video capability because not only is its 1080p limited to 20fps but the built in mic just plain sucks because the mic picks up every internal echo and lens movement when you zoom. If there is a mic input that I am missing though please tell me because I cannot seam to find it.

You may be thinking "i don't need video input, its just a DSLR," but really when you think about it you are getting a much better sensor for video and interchangeable lenses.

Personally I would take a look at the t2i, otherwise if the Nikon has better video capability and a mic input go with it over the t1i.
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Gone, I am also considering getting the 200$ Sennheizer shotgun mic although I only have a t1i, which does not appear to have any mic input. So I will be limited to using my external mic with my 1080p camcorder.

This really limits the functionality of the t1i's video capability because not only is its 1080p limited to 20fps but the built in mic just plain sucks because the mic picks up every internal echo and lens movement when you zoom. If there is a mic input that I am missing though please tell me because I cannot seam to find it.

You may be thinking "i don't need video input, its just a DSLR," but really when you think about it you are getting a much better sensor for video and interchangeable lenses.

Personally I would take a look at the t2i, otherwise if the Nikon has better video capability and a mic input go with it over the t1i.
As far as I'm aware, the T1i doesn't have an external mic input.. I've seen videos of people 'hacking' it but I personally wouldn't risk it with an investment as expensive as a T1i.

I have definitely noticed in videos of the T1i (and D3100) that it really does pick up the sound of the camera focusing. So yeah.. I really should get the T2i. The quality of videos looks astounding and obviously the photography that comes from it (if you know how to do it correctly of course), and the external mic input is something I was concerned about too.
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Gone, I am also considering getting the 200$ Sennheizer shotgun mic although I only have a t1i, which does not appear to have any mic input. So I will be limited to using my external mic with my 1080p camcorder.

This really limits the functionality of the t1i's video capability because not only is its 1080p limited to 20fps but the built in mic just plain sucks because the mic picks up every internal echo and lens movement when you zoom. If there is a mic input that I am missing though please tell me because I cannot seam to find it.

You may be thinking "i don't need video input, its just a DSLR," but really when you think about it you are getting a much better sensor for video and interchangeable lenses.

Personally I would take a look at the t2i, otherwise if the Nikon has better video capability and a mic input go with it over the t1i.
You're right, 20 FPS and no mic input on the T1i. The T2i canon do 1080p 30/25/24 fps and has a 3.5mm stereo jack for mics.

And I agree that using a DSLR for video is a good thing owing to the different lenses you can use and the large sensor.
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D3100, They compare it to D550 aka T2i. D3100 has video auto focus and face detection which works most of the time and which Canon lacks.
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D3100, They compare it to D550 aka T2i. D3100 has video auto focus and face detection which works most of the time and which Canon lacks.
No, the T2i can do AF during video, but unlike all DSLRs with video, it's so slow that it's pointless to use. MF all the way.
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post #9 of 14
Refurb T2i all day long. Leaves you some cash for an SD card and decent bag.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs...0051_267070_-1
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The T1i and D3100 are similar enough that I'd say just get the body that feels better. Especially coming from a point and shoot, you'll notice the ergonomics much more than any features differences (unless you're one of those gear whores that obsess over small details, in which case: Don't!).

As for macro, as Gone said you'll need a dedicated macro lens. There is no "macro" setting on a DSLR. In short, with better photography, there's going to be less "hand-holding" from your camera. With regards to which lens, hopefully someone else can help you since I don't do macro myself so I wouldn't be able to help.

Still, give your kit lens a try. If you're doing skincare products, I highly doubt you'd need an actual macro lens unless you're trying to see an individual hair follicle. True macro photography is very close up, unlike point and shoot macro. In the DSLR world, when we say "macro", this is what we mean.

If all you're doing is product shots, your kit lens can definitely handle that well.
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