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Nice save on their part. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to find the right tapes. I can picture their warehouse being extremely neat and organized though.
Maybe they index their warehouse with a google search.


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They don't warehouse their own tapes, they are stored offsite with a 3rd party company.

This 3rd party company has hundreds of thousands of tapes in climate controlled storage for 95% of the world's fortune 1000 companies.

And we protect them very very carefully....
we?
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They don't warehouse their own tapes, they are stored offsite with a 3rd party company.

This 3rd party company has hundreds of thousands of tapes in climate controlled storage for 95% of the world's fortune 1000 companies.

And we protect them very very carefully....
We?

Let me ask you this, is every employee there trained in the art of hand to hand combat?

Can the janitor take apart and put back an AK-47 in less than a minute?
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We?

Let me ask you this, is every employee there trained in the art of hand to hand combat?

Can the janitor take apart and put back an AK-47 in less than a minute?
Yes we...

And no and no.

Mind you the security in our climate controlled facilities is pretty steep. I took a group for a tour of one of our sites recently and they had to get photographed, show at least two pieces of ID (one of which had to be photo), provide ID from the company they were from and go through a metal detector.

On top of that, they weren't allowed to leave the group and were even accompanied to the bathroom. Add surveillance cameras that are required to have zero dead zones and sensors on every door...


My company blackberry even has its camera disabled. We are also not permitted to use any type of USB keys within any of our facilities.
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? Eh?

It's pretty much industry standard these days to do the exact opposite...Clouds are for archiving, tapes are for demand data.

It's obvious you've never had to roll a server off a cloud...I'd love to see an active server go down and any tech tell their boss it's going to be 2-3 days before his business is back on-line...Because that's the current transfer rate for the top 3 clouds on 5tb of data.

No business in their right mind would ever do a full image on a cloud and expect to pull it off "in a few hours"...
Wait.... what?

I work in financial systems. In this industry, they usually run a primary production server(s) and also run an off-site back-up servers. Failover depends on application and implementation. In case of catastrophic failure (i.e. terrorist attack), we can be back up to 100% capacity in a few hours.

In case of hardware faults, we have contracts for immediate vendor support. i.e. IBM is required to replace faulty HDDs in 24hrs.

Off-site tape is used for long term archiving. It is far enough away in case of nuclear attack on NYC....
Edited by DuckieHo - 3/2/11 at 8:33am
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On top of that, they weren't allowed to leave the group and were even accompanied to the bathroom. Add surveillance cameras that are required to have zero dead zones and sensors on every door...
Sounds romantic.
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Wait.... what?

I work in financial systems. In this industry, they usually run a primary production server(s) and also run an off-site back-up servers. Failover depends on application and implementation. In case of catastrophic failure (i.e. terrorist attack), we can be back up to 100% capacity in a few hours.

Off-site tape is used for long term archiving. It is far enough away in case of nuclear attack on NYC....
I can see that, I retract my asholicness.

Most on demand businesses I deal with choose to do the opposite...Back up-servers, tape for on demand backup (daily) and clouds for weekly//monthly archiving.

I've had plenty of backup servers fail, almost have hit the 4th redundancy a few times so, I rely on tape as my ultimate backup.

I think we're discussing 2 different types of clouds, though...I'm discussing what's generally available VIA retail; which is what most businesses have.

The commonly available clouds 50c/gb/month to "most" businesses are far too inneficient to reliably have a complete backup without losing $$$$.

The high-end clouds, I can see it happening but, for the price you pay; you could have full tape backups, 2/3 full cloud backups on the slower end and still maintain business as usual within 2/3 hours.

Obviously for Google, it's more cost-effective to do tape...God only knows how much tape they go through a day but, I could most definitely see it being far more cost effective than a solo-service cloud...
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I can see that, I retract my asholicness.

Most on demand businesses I deal with choose to do the opposite...Back up-servers, tape for on demand backup (daily) and clouds for weekly//monthly archiving.

I've had plenty of backup servers fail, almost have hit the 4th redundancy a few times so, I rely on tape as my ultimate backup.

I think we're discussing 2 different types of clouds, though...I'm discussing what's generally available VIA retail; which is what most businesses have.

The commonly available clouds 50c/gb/month to "most" businesses are far too inneficient to reliably have a complete backup without losing $$$$.

The high-end clouds, I can see it happening but, for the price you pay; you could have full tape backups, 2/3 full cloud backups on the slower end and still maintain business as usual within 2/3 hours.

Obviously for Google, it's more cost-effective to do tape...God only knows how much tape they go through a day but, I could most definitely see it being far more cost effective than a solo-service cloud...

We're just coming from two different perspective.

You are talking about more general or small business servers.
I am talking about critical enterprise servers. (i.e. We pay $10-20K a year per 1TB of disk storage. Absurded!)
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We're just coming from two different perspective.

You are talking about more general or small business servers.
I am talking about critical enterprise servers. (i.e. We pay $10-20K a year per 1TB of disk storage. Absurded!)
You use EMC?
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You use EMC?

I believe IBM. (I don't sign the contracts.)
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Yea, Google is so ingenious for using backup tapes. No other company on the planet has ever done so, meaning that everyone else uses complex methods that makes them so daft in comparison to Google. It wasn't Google's own stupidity that caused them to have to invoke such a groundbreaking method of data restoration unbeknownst to the rest of the world.
They're geniuses because they didn't discard the tapes like they had ebola when they were rendered obsolete.
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