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“AMD’s ‘Llano’ and Intel’s ‘Sandy Bridge’ are roughly equal in size and transistor count. But that’s where the similarities end,†AMD’s Godfrey Cheng, director for the company’s client technology unit, wrote in a blog post. â€An analysis of the two components’ die area shows that AMD has invested much more heavily in graphics, parallel compute and video whereas Intel has invested much more of its silicon area in improving classic x86 performance.â€
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*yawn*

Next AMD is going to say is that Bulldozer/Llano will divide by zero. They're saying benchmarks won't matter cause they're skeptical on whether they can beat Intel after talking so much smack.

That's like me swearing up and down that my car is faster than yours but I won't race you because they're two different cars.

This mudslinging is getting irritating. Just release the damn chips already.
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*yawn*

Next AMD is going to say is that Bulldozer/Llano will divide by zero. They're saying benchmarks won't matter cause they're skeptical on whether they can beat Intel after talking so much smack.

That's like me swearing up and down that my car is faster than yours but I won't race you because they're two different cars.

This mudslinging is getting irritating. Just release the damn chips already.
It's actually kinda true on their part. As they develop the APU more it will change how programs interact. Performance in terms of sheer number crunching will still be valid, but programs might use a more blended approach. You might have programs start to rely on gpu acceleration, which will give the APU a huge advantage when it comes to computing. It will no lonber be an X86 benchmark but rather a blend of the score between the overall bechmark abilities of the APU. This isn't just an x86 CPU, it's a complete fusion changing the ballgame quite a bit.
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Oh that's a bad sign already... AMD is making excuses again? Almost every benchmark and real world apps on the PC is x86... it ain't just about synthetic benches. What are they talking about?

Not to mention Nvidia has already invested a lot into parallel computing with CUDA.
 
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It's actually kinda true on their part. As they develop the APU more it will change how programs interact. Performance in terms of sheer number crunching will still be valid, but programs might use a more blended approach. You might have programs start to rely on gpu acceleration, which will give the APU a huge advantage when it comes to computing. It will no lonber be an X86 benchmark but rather a blend of the score between the overall bechmark abilities of the APU. This isn't just an x86 CPU, it's a complete fusion changing the ballgame quite a bit.
I guess. I guess that article made them sound really cocky about the performance of an unreleased chip. You know?

It's like that crap with the 6990/ GTX 590. All the reviews are saying the 6990 will blow the doors off the GTX 590 before even testing them side by side. Speculation and false claims run rampant on technology. It's actually quite annoying.
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Obviously Llano is designed for a very specific purpose, while Zambezi 8 Core is also designed specifically for a purpose as well...

Zambezi is the CPU everyone wants a benchmark on yesterday....

There is a lot of hype over AMD's new CPUs, lots of speculation, and everyone is extremely excited to see what AMD brings out the gates...

I for one cannot wait, meh!
Edited by _GTech - 3/1/11 at 7:06pm
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In the Laptop / Netbook market relying on a GMA or Intel's CPU/GPUs isn't going to produce the desire you want, not really, too much of the CPU is used for GPU functions, Llano has a VERY VALID use, lower power, and higher quality graphics, what is there not to love about that?

CPU Performance is not everything, especially when you start talking about higher quality graphics in which Llano will be anything far from a FAIL, Intel will take a hit on this one, big time..
Yes, tell that to all the workstations and servers that use high powered Nehalem-EXs and Westmere-EXs. You have to wonder why Intel has 90% of the server market share. CPU is far more important in the real world.
 
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*yawn*

Next AMD is going to say is that Bulldozer/Llano will divide by zero. They're saying benchmarks won't matter cause they're skeptical on whether they can beat Intel after talking so much smack.

That's like me swearing up and down that my car is faster than yours but I won't race you because they're two different cars.

This mudslinging is getting irritating. Just release the damn chips already.
This might well be true but then again look at the other side of it. x86 will be dead when Windows 7 dies, as after that Windows (AFAIK) will use Intel and AMDs proprietary instruction sets. So while I agree and understand your frustration (and share it) providing they can get the developers to implement or utilize their new technology now in games and a few other apps, I think they can still win. I think this will be a case of Intel winning the battle, but AMD winning the war.
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llano is still k10.5 based so no surprise there
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Yes, tell that to all the workstations and servers that use high powered Nehalem-EXs and Westmere-EXs. You have to wonder why Intel has 90% of the server market share. CPU is far more important in the real world.
Except that type of power gives you nothing for performance in the laptop world. Not to mention the inability to have that type of power. Nor does it do it even for desktop, unless you just happen to have a server room. Yes, power IS everything, just not a specific type of power being everything.
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