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post #21 of 59
I agree, a 3.8Ghz i7 is held back by disk, video card, internet connection, user...

I would rather have more bandwidth to the ich10r than another 20% in cpu speed.
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post #22 of 59
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Ummm, is your first language english? That's what I was saying, or at least inferring...

But if you want to get technical, my nuke can still go off whether or not my computer works. In fact you can make a nuke without the use of any real electronics, you can use a fully mechanical detonator. I drop the nuke out of a plane and you still die, but you know lets make this friendly.
So... Airplanes are all EMP proof now? Didn't know they didn't use electronics anymore. So take your mechanical detonator and use it on foot.
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post #23 of 59
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*yawn*

Next AMD is going to say is that Bulldozer/Llano will divide by zero. They're saying benchmarks won't matter cause they're skeptical on whether they can beat Intel after talking so much smack.

That's like me swearing up and down that my car is faster than yours but I won't race you because they're two different cars.

This mudslinging is getting irritating. Just release the damn chips already.
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post #24 of 59
Smart move AMD... smart move...
post #25 of 59
I'm sorry, but x86 performance does matter. On-die graphics are fine and dandy for entry level computers, but even an entry level $50 dedicated GPU will blow away any integrated solution and make the on die graphics irrelevant. It's simply a matter of die space and thermal limitations.

A dedicated GPU takes care of graphics and video+encoding 100%, which leaves the CPU dedicated to x86 performance. It's valid to say that they're focusing on threaded performance, but to say x86 performance is irrelevant means that they won't grab the market with the highest margins (high end chips).

x86 performance per watt in a multi-threaded environment is still the most important statistic by far, and will be for quite a while.
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Wait, doesn't Sandy Bridge beat Fermi in FP operations thanks to the vector extension?

How is the competition not focusing on video(playback, encoding, rendering) when their CPU beats your GPU at its own game?

With 480SPs, Llano looks to be very promising relative to Intel integrated graphics, but it really is all relative once you pair a SB with a superior Nvidia GPU.
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post #27 of 59
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So... Airplanes are all EMP proof now? Didn't know they didn't use electronics anymore. So take your mechanical detonator and use it on foot.
Umm yeah, original plane designs can be done without electronics. I could use an original prop plane to drop it, it's the same reason why old cars still run. I'm sure you know how an EMP works, but it's not a magical device that effects all mechanics.

But if ya want, I can detonate it manually too.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...ty-catastrophe

They have also made things work to withstand an EMP attack. The easiest way to do so is introduce a secondary backup system. That or create the machine to have a manual operation, something with switch systems that don't get blown out by an EMP. So when the EMP hits you can still manually drive the device. In the terms of a plane it is very easy, since you can create both the navigation system and propulsion system to work without electronics (as they were originally designed to do so). So I lose the ability to automatically drop the bomb, I'm sure I can push it off. =P

[edit] Short answer, YES planes are EMP proof. They at least have the ability to do so, and probably have for a long time. EMP isn't an all mighty magical device.
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post #28 of 59
IMO all benchmarking is meaningless.
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post #29 of 59
I dunno, I think it's nice to know the raw ability of something. Not that that ability means you get good performance, but it at least lets you know what you can do with it.
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With consumer products becoming more and more visual (i.e. HTML5, Windows Aero, HD video...etc), I do believe AMD's attitude towards graphics is better than Intel's.

Intel treats graphics like an afterthought, it seems. Sandy Bridge GPUs are an improvement over their previous stuff, but the drivers are still not good enough. What good is speed if it can't be used? Tests have already indicated that there are some games that don't even open with Intel's IGPs. Also, why the heck did they put their best graphics (HD3000) on their processors that will have the lowest amount of IGP users? (K series, enthusiasts, overclockers)

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Yes, tell that to all the workstations and servers that use high powered Nehalem-EXs and Westmere-EXs. You have to wonder why Intel has 90% of the server market share. CPU is far more important in the real world.
The reason why Intel has the most market share is because of some illegal bargaining they did back when AMD had the superior architecture (2003-2006, K8 vs Netburst), but let's not get into that.
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