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Originally Posted by kidwolf909 View Post
To illustrate this more effectively, take for instance two car companies:

Company A takes their 500HP land-rocket and improves it for next year by upping the output to 600WHP. (Intel, modern muscle cars... camaro, viper, etc.)

Company B takes their 400HP land-rocket and improves it for next year by adding suspension and an advanced braking system that allows the car to handle better in a wider variety of scenarios. (AMD, modern sports cars... R8, Lotus, Ferrari, Porsche, etc.)
That analogy is quite a stretch, saying this because since phenom II's were released, AMD hasnt done too much other than bump clock speeds. Yes, they made the x6, but they havent done the architecture changes intel has.

Though I can understand your analogy is referring to general computing and not just cpu tasks, its iffy
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post #32 of 59
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IMO all benchmarking is meaningless.
Not at all.... as long as you understand what a benchmark represents.

If you want to invest $50K in a server, you need some metric to decide which one to buy. You don't go out and buy a couple of $50K servers, spend weeks migrating, check performance gains, and then return the ones that aren't as good.

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Also, why the heck did they put their best graphics (HD3000) on their processors that will have the lowest amount of IGP users? (K series, enthusiasts, overclockers).
Not just that.... Sandy Bridge has a very good video encoder but it only works if the IGP active. That means it will not work if there is a discrete GPU or on P67 chipsets. Stupid.
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post #33 of 59
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However, the company isn’t interested in x86 supremacy anymore, because “it just doesn’t matter.â€
Some people have to realize it's not all about the best performance. This is a good way to put it.
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epic fail in 3 2 1 . . .
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*yawn*

Next AMD is going to say is that Bulldozer/Llano will divide by zero. They're saying benchmarks won't matter cause they're skeptical on whether they can beat Intel after talking so much smack.

That's like me swearing up and down that my car is faster than yours but I won't race you because they're two different cars.

This mudslinging is getting irritating. Just release the damn chips already.
Actually this isn't true. It may be a small part of the reason behind the statements but if you look at the direction computing is heading in they are 100 percent correct.
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post #36 of 59
If you don't give me my benchmarks I'm going to QQ all over the place.
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Yeah I think someone said it, you can't move said nuke without electronics. So in the end you would have to be standing there to set it off, and I would have to be there as well. So my basis still stands, if you can't use your technology effectively it doesn't matter cause one that is more effective and efficient will come along and make you look silly.
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post #38 of 59
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Originally Posted by sLowEnd View Post
With consumer products becoming more and more visual (i.e. HTML5, Windows Aero, HD video...etc), I do believe AMD's attitude towards graphics is better than Intel's..
HTML5 runs flawlessly on the slowest integrated graphics as does Windows Aero. Seriously, if these are the greatest examples that justify AMD's attitude then not even the most adamant zealots should take them seriously.

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Intel treats graphics like an afterthought, it seems. Sandy Bridge GPUs are an improvement over their previous stuff, but the drivers are still not good enough. What good is speed if it can't be used? Tests have already indicated that there are some games that don't even open with Intel's IGPs. Also, why the heck did they put their best graphics (HD3000) on their processors that will have the lowest amount of IGP users? (K series, enthusiasts, overclockers).
Can we say the same about AMD's CPU efforts? AMDs uncompetitiveness dots the previous five years like dots on a matrix.

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The reason why Intel has the most market share is because of some illegal bargaining they did back when AMD had the superior architecture (2003-2006, K8 vs Netburst), but let's not get into that.
You mean 2003-2005. Core 2 launched in '06 and was significantly better than AMD & Intel's previous offerings.

I don't condone what Intel did and they got what hey deserve when they were hit with bln dollar fines, but Core 2 was somewhat of a revolution.

I don't quite understand how you can claim victory in AMD's favor based on philosphy at the moment. Intel had some remnant of a CPU/GPU amalgam a full year before AMD did; while AMD was merely talking about its prospects, Intel did it.

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Actually this isn't true. It may be a small part of the reason behind the statements but if you look at the direction computing is heading in they are 100 percent correct.
If you look at today's super computers, data centers, and work stations, there will always be a need for int performance and some industries benefit more from it such as the financial industry.

Even the most potent supercomputer has thousands of CPU cores as some things just run better on a CPU.
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post #39 of 59
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Originally Posted by blackbalt89 View Post
*yawn*

Next AMD is going to say is that Bulldozer/Llano will divide by zero. They're saying benchmarks won't matter cause they're skeptical on whether they can beat Intel after talking so much smack.

That's like me swearing up and down that my car is faster than yours but I won't race you because they're two different cars.

This mudslinging is getting irritating. Just release the damn chips already.
I disagree.

It is like saying your car may be faster than mine, but mine has nice seats, an A\\C, a sunroof, and get's better mileage. It may not be as fast but it still gets me from Point A to Point B and the experience is more enjoyable.


I do believe we are moving into an new era where a focus on raw speed is no longer relevant. Good enough at the right price, while being more flexible in the things I can do are run is what people want. We are at or getting close to that good-enough point on consumer devices.

Servers are another story.
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post #40 of 59
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I'm sorry, but x86 performance does matter. On-die graphics are fine and dandy for entry level computers, but even an entry level $50 dedicated GPU will blow away any integrated solution and make the on die graphics irrelevant. It's simply a matter of die space and thermal limitations.

A dedicated GPU takes care of graphics and video+encoding 100%, which leaves the CPU dedicated to x86 performance. It's valid to say that they're focusing on threaded performance, but to say x86 performance is irrelevant means that they won't grab the market with the highest margins (high end chips).

x86 performance per watt in a multi-threaded environment is still the most important statistic by far, and will be for quite a while.
you obviously got no clue what llano is.
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