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Yes and no, you can always move something without electronics. What the guy was thinking was that the EMP would affect modern vehicles. The thing with EMP is that it is most effective on devices that are powered by the grid. Devices that are also on tend to have a higher rate of being damaged, but generally battery powered devices ([edit] Honestly anything off the grid) aren't as easily damaged. They have even done nuke testing on cars, where the car was fully functional after a nuclear explosion. Essentially EMP is not the holy grail of electronic warfare, you could easily create a Faraday Cage or other various methods to shield from EMP. Basically he gave me the upper hand with a nuke, mine acts as both a destructor and an EMP. Win win in my book!
A sufficient EMP can make a modern car inoperable.

/offtopic

On topic: IMO it really depends on the market segment on what benchmarks really mean.

A home computer that is used for web browsing / basic office work? Yes comparing which chip has the better IGP is viable.

For most of us? The IGP will never be powered up, so the results wouldn't matter.
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post #52 of 59
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A sufficient EMP can make a modern car inoperable.

/offtopic

On topic: IMO it really depends on the market segment on what benchmarks really mean.

A home computer that is used for web browsing / basic office work? Yes comparing which chip has the better IGP is viable.

For most of us? The IGP will never be powered up, so the results wouldn't matter.
1) Depends on the way the car runs it's ignition system. Manual cars require less chip work, they operate more dependently on the flywheel for the motor to run. Centrifugal force from the flywheel keeps the piston movement, the plugs are then on a basic timer system.

I do agree, as cars become more "modern" this timing system gets integrated more into the onboard chips, but not all cars come with that. Low budget cars don't do this, mainly to save money. I would guess that any car with EFI would probably have this, and I'm sure a huge percent of cars are sold this way. You can still get cars that don't, and even used cars from 00' probably have a huge percent that don't.

2) This isn't so much to compete just with IGP, think of a way to compete with discrete and have lower power consumption than IGP. You can beat both worlds while having one.
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post #53 of 59
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1) Depends on the way the car runs it's ignition system. Manual cars require less chip work, they operate more dependently on the flywheel for the motor to run. Centrifugal force from the flywheel keeps the piston movement, the plugs are then on a basic timer system.

I do agree, as cars become more "modern" this timing system gets integrated more into the onboard chips, but not all cars come with that. Low budget cars don't do this, mainly to save money. I would guess that any car with EFI would probably have this, and I'm sure a huge percent of cars are sold this way. You can still get cars that don't, and even used cars from 00' probably have a huge percent that don't.

2) This isn't so much to compete just with IGP, think of a way to compete with discrete and have lower power consumption than IGP. You can beat both worlds while having one.
Cars that have manual transmissions are still vulnerable to an EMP. Power steering, ABS, fuel pump, fuel injector, etc. Most modern cars are basically run be a small computer.

Now the real question is this: Could a nuke produce a strong enough EMP to take out a modern car?

/offtopic


What I meant was this. If the computer being built will be just used for standard school work, web browsing benchmarks are a lot less meaningful.

For computers that will actually see some stress, then x86 benchmarks are still king.

This article makes we really worry about AMD's future.
Edited by AtomicFrost - 3/3/11 at 3:22pm
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post #54 of 59
w t f? ^

[insert childish post without reading the article or having any knowledge on the subject here]

/thread
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post #55 of 59
What AMD is essentially saying is that single thread performance doesn't matter anymore.


Too bad for AMD, since nearly every thing we do is single threaded. Getting a piece of software to work efficiently in a multithreaded environment is a time intensive process, and getting it to work on a GPU is even harder.


AMD's APUs will be faster than Intel's CPUs, but only only the 0.001% of applications that take advantage of it.
    
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post #56 of 59
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Cars that have manual transmissions are still vulnerable to an EMP. Power steering, ABS, fuel pump, fuel injector, etc. Most modern cars are basically run be a small computer.

Now the real question is this: Could a nuke produce a strong enough EMP to take out a modern car?

/offtopic
Fuel Injection isn't always [edit]errr, isn't always electronic as in controlled by a chip, EFI isn't in every car (it is as of 1995 I guess, lol). Electronic Fuel Injection, which isn't used in all cars. [edit] The question then is, is a 1994 a modern car? Power steering, ABS, aren't needed to run a vehicle, they just make it nicer. Fuel pump doesn't use circuitry delicate enough to be damaged, same reason why the alternator won't get damaged. Essentially you can run a car through an EMP and still have a car that get you from point A to point B. It's the same reason why a prop plane isn't affected by an EMP. In order for an EMP to fry that type of circuitry it would have to be extremely powerful. By then the amount of rads being produced would kill you,the point in having a working car in death; pointless.

[edit]

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w t f? ^

[insert childish post without reading the article or having any knowledge on the subject here]

/thread
Was a tangent discussion that got started, a scenario discussion that wasn't thought through properly.
Edited by mushroomboy - 3/3/11 at 4:19pm
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*yawn*

Next AMD is going to say is that Bulldozer/Llano will divide by zero. They're saying benchmarks won't matter cause they're skeptical on whether they can beat Intel after talking so much smack.

That's like me swearing up and down that my car is faster than yours but I won't race you because they're two different cars.

This mudslinging is getting irritating. Just release the damn chips already.
awesome post really
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So much idiocy in one thread.
    
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All right, that's far enough. These personal attacks and name-calling need to stop. Another thread ruined by members that can't be nice to each other... closed. If you can't think of anything better to say than calling people out for being fanboys (often this isn't true anyway and is plain trolling) or idiots (again, often untrue and is trolling), then don't contribute to/create the problem and don't post at all.
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