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I know people who pirate the occasional game, as I'm sure most of us do. They're not inherently bad people. They're not evil master criminals. They are, however, the reason why the PC market is so easily disregarded by the majority of publishers. PC gamers sit back and complain about how Bulletstorm is only getting a console demo, or how a roleplaying game has been "dumbed down" to make it simple enough for a controller. Who can honestly blame the publisher, though? If I were EA, I would actually pull the PC version ofCrysis 2right now.

I've tried to argue in the corner of pirates before, but screw it. It's not a corner that deserves to be fought in. I would, in fact, encourage developers to ignore the PC market altogether now. Sorry, but why should anybody support the platform? Sure, there are paying customers, and it would suck for them, but what kind of businessman would open a store in a city where stores are robbed multiple times a day? An idiotic businessman.

http://www.destructoid.com/and-you-w...--193957.phtml
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He has a point.


That he does. The final statement was more than powerful enough to justify his point. Heck, I'd support him.
     
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post #122 of 208
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I'd say that rehashing a theme or story without a unique interpretation IS a ripoff.
How?

Theme in Halo: You save the world against aliens

[edit] Man vs Supernatural

Theme in Quake: You save the world from aliens.

[edit] Man vs Supernatural

Not that the stories are 1:1, but the themes are the same. You save the world from aliens. Duke Nukem? Aliens? Gears of War, Aliens?

ITS THE SAME DAMN THEME. They do this everywhere, from games to movies. There is a theory that you can only make 7 true and unique stories. I think that was expanded to 36, but they aren't all true stories.

http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/plotFARQ.html

That's why you see a movie and go "I knew what was going to happen the whole time". Of course you did, there is the idea that you can only make so many themes before you start creating the same story with different words.

[edit] The idea, there IS a finite amount of plots that can be made. Eventually they have to re-design a plot/theme in a new "language" to tell a story.
Edited by mushroomboy - 3/2/11 at 11:11am
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Maybe I'm preaching like that because I see 70 other users justifying theft when they have awesome rigs that sometimes cost well over $2000 and insulting hard working developers all day long as if they were the root of all evil, like it's the developer fault the game is a bad port or the game has no demo, no it's the fault of the publisher which is only interested in money and reducing the cost, and also of the pirates who make the PC a less and less desirable platform to invest on each and every day.
Then they shouldn't sign with those publishers.
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Developers as small guys? Bioware? Treyarch? etc...

People can pay $100 for CoD if they want, I'll be happily playing much more fun and much more cheaper games

As for waiting for the game to lower in price, how exactly is that different from piracy? You're still costing the developers money, even if legally. It's just playing "by the rules"



It is you're unbelievably high condescending attitude. Your immediate assumption that we're all pirates simply because we disagree with you more than warrants such a response from other posters.



Exactly my point.
Unbelievably high condescending attitude? That is his only post that is even remotely condescending, and if you actually look at his previous posts he is being called names simply because he doesn't follow the groove that most people in this thread are. He makes legitimate points. His condescension in that post is very justified.
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Developers as small guys? Bioware? Treyarch? etc...

People can pay $100 for CoD if they want, I'll be happily playing much more fun and much more cheaper games

As for waiting for the game to lower in price, how exactly is that different from piracy? You're still costing the developers money, even if legally. It's just playing "by the rules"



It is you're unbelievably high condescending attitude. Your immediate assumption that we're all pirates simply because we disagree with you more than warrants such a response from other posters.



Exactly my point.
Bioware and Treyarch are a minority though, most developers work in a small studio which can be closed at the whim of the big publishers like it happened for Bizarre Creations, they don't need to be constantly insulted by the people they try to entertain on top of that.
As for my condescending attitude it may be because English isn't my first language and also because justifying piracy angers me greatly, I can only assume you're a pirate if you justify piracy, why would you otherwise ?
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EA should pull the PC version of Crysis 2 because of how terribad it is. This goes right back to how these devs make terrible games and try to charge a full $60 for them. Honestly Bullet storm is a $30 indie game to me. I will never buy it until it goes on a steam sale for 20 or 25. And even then I still may not get it.
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That's why you see a movie and go "I knew what was going to happen the whole time". Of course you did, there is the idea that you can only make so many themes before you start creating the same story with different words.
At some level, yes. However at the lower level, the same theme can be varied in nearly endless ways. You can hierarchically take it all back to one or two things probably, but they aren't going to be representative of the experience.

My point is that the media developers are offering little more than mindless permutations of the same base concept because it sells. There are few interesting concepts or truly deep thoughts wrapped in the experience.

Because companies can market that, and people buy it, I feel that they are (by their own doing) being ripped off of a richness that can be found in unique expressions and variations that are all around us. Developers would kindly repackage Crysis 1 and sell it to you 15 times over 15 years if you would buy it. And that is a disservice to everything but the companies profit.

All I was saying is that the answer is not to "grow up" and accept that. You are being screwed over by being robbed of thoughtful recreation. In the sense that the more companies push this profit motive entertainment, the more it becomes the norm. There has always been crap, but nowadays crap *seems* invasive.
    
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A perfect example would probably be Avatar. (Not the game haha) As it's been pointed out it follows a very familiar structure, but it's a great movie that really owns up to being unique. I don't usually watch movies more than once, but that and Inception I would. Not many titles are on that list for me, in fact the only other one I can think of that was a classic for me is Black Sheep. The old one with Chris Farley, not that dumb horror one.
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I'd say that rehashing a theme or story without a unique interpretation IS a ripoff. And people ARE being screwed over by being inundated with crap concepts and spinoffs.

If you don't have something to say, don't say anything at all (@ devs). This is the absolute worst with movies and their I,II,II,IV iterations.
This applies to the majority of the movies and games out there. I will agree that most sequels will suck. However, this is why you rarely see movies with numbers after the name, I.E. Terminator Salvation (Terminator 4), these days. Heck, the Terminator series is one of the only series to do well after the third movie in the grouping. (I was surprised to see them pull that good of a movie out of their @$$ after the fail that the third movie was.)

Games are about the same to be entirely honest. There are just as few games that do well after the first or second installment. This applies to the Medal of Honor games and Call of Duty especially. Also this includes, but is not limited to, the following game series:

Halo, Tombraider, Legend of Zelda, Mario, Guitar Hero, etc... >.>
     
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At some level, yes. However at the lower level, the same theme can be varied in nearly endless ways. You can hierarchically take it all back to one or two things probably, but they aren't going to be representative of the experience.

My point is that the media developers are offering little more than mindless permutations of the same base concept because it sells. There are few interesting concepts or truly deep thoughts wrapped in the experience.

Because companies can market that, and people buy it, I feel that they are (by their own doing) being ripped off of a richness that can be found in unique expressions and variations that are all around us. Developers would kindly repackage Crysis 1 and sell it to you 15 times over 15 years if you would buy it. And that is a disservice to everything but the companies profit.

All I was saying is that the answer is not to "grow up" and accept that. You are being screwed over by being robbed of thoughtful recreation. In the sense that the more companies push this profit motive entertainment, the more it becomes the norm.
Oh on that note I agree, you shouldn't accept it. But the problem isn't something we can just fix either. We deserve unique games, but the problem become where do these games come from? Some companies push that, and create something new. I found Crysis1 to be generic, and mainly lame. I did think Crysis2, at least in story was something of value.

The underlying problem is that people seem to think that there are infinite possibilities of themes, but there really isn't. You can change situations of the themes, that's about it. All these "bad" games, at least from what I've seen, are only bad because there isn't anything unique in them. Crysis was kind of unique, except all the powers the suit has have been in many games before.

So what do you do? Go make a game yourself? I think everyone should try and make a story, create the plots and sub plots. Then after they do that break it down into themes you can understand. I'm betting you'll be surprised at how hard it is to make an original theme and concept.

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This applies to the majority of the movies and games out there. I will agree that most sequels will suck. However, this is why you rarely see movies with numbers after the name, I.E. Terminator Salvation (Terminator 4), these days. Heck, the Terminator series is one of the only series to do well after the third movie in the grouping. (I was surprised to see them pull that good of a movie out of their @$$ after the fail that the third movie was.)

Games are about the same to be entirely honest. There are just as few games that do well after the first or second installment. This applies to the Medal of Honor games and Call of Duty especially. Also this includes, but is not limited to, the following game series:

Halo, Tombraider, Legend of Zelda, Mario, Guitar Hero, etc... >.>
Terminator Salvation was probably the best one outside of the original. That is a rare thing to see, and I actually thought Salvation was probably one of the best in the series. =P

My point is, now we don't have a single good game but a mass amount of games that play the same.
Edited by mushroomboy - 3/2/11 at 11:32am
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