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EVERYONE thinks money first. Just different people apply that differently.

Ex:

Dev A: to make the most profit, we should do the minimal work required to save as much money as possible while still making a game people will be suckered into buying.

Dev B: to make the most profit, we should work really hard to make a great game that everyone will buy, making us tons of money in the process.




...if you ever think a dev is working for reasons other than money, think again. If you ever think ANYONE is working for reasons other than money...think again. Sure, lots of people love their jobs, but they wouldn't love them if they didn't pay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors_without_borders

they're only in it for the money!



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Yea, I feel Portal 2 will be the last as well. Something tells me Valve has been working on a totally new engine, and Half Life 3 will cover the content that Episode 3 was supposed to have. Things have been too quiet and too slow regarding Episode 3.
I sure hope you're right.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ter-productive



Wow, seriously? I can't believe this is like their 5th game on the same engine, and soon a 6th game; and they still won't develop a new engine.
This is why i refuse to buy any more Call of Duty games.. they're done. Until they come up with a new engine then i'm all for it. Right now i'm focused on Battlefield 3 cuz they won't do a console port and second of all.. my time on sandbox editor is gonna be a huge impact with Crysis 2. I can't wait.

Sucks Call of Duty really went down the drain. The best was COD 4. Pure pc game. Sure Modern Warfare 2 ain't bad but i hate console ports..
Let's hope PC industry will consider thinking of going back to PC instead of selling their souls to console makers.

DICE made a huge promise. They are the only company that has balls not to go console ports I wish there'd be more like them.
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Wow. That's the most generalizing statement I've ever heard. You just can't categorize people like that.

Have you actually played older COD games? (COD 1, 2 and 4)? They were not bad. They were all very good IMO. They had good gameplay, but they look like crap compared to something like BC2, which of course isn't a fair comparison but I'm using it to argue my point.

BO still looks like COD4, which looks like crap. If COD players cared about graphics, they'd move on to other games. Not COD. COD players are there for the gameplay, not graphics. I myself still play COD4 although I dislike MW2 and BO, but I don't think they are horrible either, just too much port in my taste.

The gameplay is what COD players are looking for. Games like BC2 look far superior and cost less. By your argument, COD players would just buy BC2 and play it. They don't. COD players seek the arcade type of gameplay that COD offers. Similiar to CSS, but with more casual gameplay and more options. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer arcade FPS games too. That's why I don't play only BC2 24/7

Next time, don't go around generalizing. That is just like saying that every WoW player is a 30 year old virgin man living in his mothers basement. It doesn't work like that with most people.

EDIT: Oh, and I prefer the game engine mechanics over the source engine. The source engine feels like you're just floating through the air when walking, recoil feels like crap, and such.

Best post in the whole thread. It amazes me some of the crappy generalizations that people try and make. Such elitest sometimes. I mean.. the post about indie movies versus box office hits, lol! Screams elitist mindset.

Anyway.. I love Valve. I played CS from beta days on through 1.6 and was extremely excited for CS:S until it came out and the gameplay felt different. I continued playing 1.6 and also played DOD:S (which was an excellent improvement on DOD) until a game came along called CoD4 MW. That gave me the great game play I loved in CS but expanded on it greatly. I could play S&D all night and be completely enthralled like I had been in the haydays of CS.

I had no plans for WaW but a friend gifted it to me and for the next year + I played both MW and WaW as my main FPS games along with occassional CS. Did I care at all about the engine, no. The gameplay was smooth and fun. And the hitboxes, way better than CS nonsense (any long time cs gamers have seen 8 hits for 86 damage, pathetic) and the MASSIVE left shoulder! Playing hardcore mode almost exclusively.. I killed what I shot (DoD:S offered this as well not in a HC mode but the effectiveness of the weapons! oh how I loved the Kar98) and that brought tactics back into play. Get the drop on someone and you win way more often than not! Playing smart mattered again instead of just the raw twitch gaming CS had become.

When MW2 was announced I was excited yet again, until I learned of all the compromises that had been made (notably dedi servers gone) and I simply skipped that game. Blops came along and linked the lineage right back to WaW for me. Gameplay felt the same. I have never had to deal with the myriad of problems others had.. so for me big success.

Now take a minute and bring this all back to CS. With source we got the exact same maps and game (mostly) with an engine update that really changed the mechanics. I know personally at the time I'd have just preferred much more of 1.6 with new CONTENT. Fast forward to COD MW --> WaW --> Blops and you see thats really exactly what weve gotten.

I dont care of it's called Modern Warfare.. World at War.. or Black Ops.. it's all really still the game I've been playing with tweaks here and there (theater mode, wager matches, kill streaks). Many of you seem to think this is a fail strategy.. but look at CS to CSS and you can see thats really what people wanted. No one wanted to lose the feel!! In CSS they DID! For years that was the big complaint about CSS.

The COD series has capitalized on that mistake and yes they've charged a premium (new game price) for it.. but it's worked!

I'd add that I also played BC2 and while I did well and enjoyed the different take on FPS gaming from what I'd played essentially going back to CS (and really.. back to Rainbow6 beforehand) it still didnt deliver on the epic level that CS/COD style has given for about 14 years now. Even with the quirks both CS and COD have come with.. nothing has matched the broad appeal of their fun factor.

Maybe BF3 will move things another step.. and if so I'll gladly transition again like I did from CS to COD.

Bash all you want the lack of innovation but dont bash the feel. The game feels just like COD4 (plus the feature enhancements) and in this genre.. new content with same feel is actually a good thing!

Lots of games came and tried to topple CS's reign on fps gaming.. and again have tried during COD's reign. So far none have done it. (well excluding the consoles with Halo). This is how it goes. it wont go on forever. Maybe BF3 will be ready in this incarnation to take the title. I know I'll be giving it a try but it wont be because of some technical fact sheet/game engine. It will be gameplay and feel that decides it!

Thats how it SHOULD be!

Stop worrying about the rest and just get your frag on in whatever flavor suits you all best!
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lethal, instead of making a long and well said post like yours I'll just say I think you nailed my feelings on the dot, I completely agree with you. Excellent post.
    
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and even with that a lots of casual gamers will make MW3 the best selling game in the year

this gen is SAD, really sad
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well there's alot of other games to pry on..
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you know when i took a look at this article i thought...this is going to blow up..and it did so i might as well add my 2 cents in...

look i personally prefer Source Engine over COD's...and heres why.....True it may not have all the pretty "oh look at that" as the COD engine does, but you know what it does offer that the COD engine doesnt.....fluid game play and constant updates to fix issues, big and small alike. I love Valve games simply because they have something that works, and they use it and make great games with it....all being different games....different interesting stories (Half Life 2,Episode 1,Episode 2, Portal, LFD, LFD2...)

Whenever Valve releases a new game, its great. they take their time and really wait till the game is ready and very rarely do you have massive issues with a game from Valve when it first comes out. I would like to point out the failure that is Black Ops.....if Activision is bragging about not having to change their engine and blah blah then why was that such a failure on PC if they used the same engine that was fine for MW2.....i likes MW2....to a point. it was very arcade feeling, and really no strat behind it...kill streak = win..that its...if you can get your kill streak you got it in the bag....Valve games like CSS even Half Life 2 Death match took more skill to get your kills up there.

I know im probably gonna get flamed by COD or console fanboys but im gonna stand by what i said...Source is more polished, and Valve makes great games because of that, and regardless of what the COD crowd is gonna say...they have some very complex levels and look fantastic...Episode 1 and 2 look so good....and i look forward to Episode 3 simply becuase the source engine is still impressive to me...yea sure COD engine looks nicer, but when a new COD game comes out and half the community cant run it becuase of "bugs" i will just keep smiling and go back to my valve games.

EA seems to be the same with Valve...they dont rush their games, and they have a good combination of good graphics and good game play/fluid feel. People complain about BFBC2...but i liked it, it reminded me of BF2 and BF2142 days...when pc gaming wasnt what Activision thinks it is.....and consoles have really turned good developers away from making great games...becuase its "easier" and they make more money becuase the console gamers are under some illusion that console gaming graphics are actually good.....this is to both PS3 and XBOX

i will always take game play/less bugs/fluid feel/good game over another COD reskin pile of garbage that console gamers will defend in and out because they really think they have a great game when in reality it will be replaced with the same game a year later....

i love graphic games, and i love what they can do. Crysis looked great, and still does but i wont say it was a good game becuase it had a very boring storyline...good looking game, garbage game play.....i have hopes for crysis 2, but not to high.

BF2 is still a very big and popular game and its been around forever....same thing with the original CS and even Halo (on console)....they all use old engines and still sell copies daily....and will sell them becuase they have good, polished games (although im not a halo fan, the engine is pretty balanced and ill give them that) but COD and Activison need to take what they have and maybe make an actual WORKING STABLE ENGINE....

its like COD took their game engine after MW1 while it was still an "infant" and said "awwww look at how good we did, lets make it better" and instead of helping it grow they throw it into the ceiling fan and started playing Metallica.....then gave it a band tee shirt and released it a year later with a new title...but not before completely ruining it....

if it works, why is it that every game you come out with always has some massive problems that prevents half the population that buys the game from actually enjoying it?!?!?! seriously....wth is wrong with you.....every game they have brought out since MW has had to have more then one massive patch to recover from "bugs" and "problems"...how about you stop being lazy and fix it in the first place? you have had 2 games to do it....i am willing to bet any money the next COD Activiosn disaster they bring out is going to be like Black Ops....OMG RAWR ITS SO NEW RAWR RAWR LOOK PRETTY GUNS RAWR GRASS RAWR TRESS oh wait...only 1 in 3 people can play it becuase of random bugs and issues, lets wait another month or 2 and release a patch so it can actually play like it did 3 years ago....when it was MW1.....

sorry i know someone is going to yell at me, or flame me....or notice my spelling/typing mistakes....yea sorry im a bad typer..so if you call me out on that then please, put your mouth around the tip of my pepperoni stick and enjoy

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I don't care about the graphics.

I just want something fun.

Team Fortress 2 and Call of Duty 4 are both graphically fine, but are fun!

Games like Bad Company 2 are also fun, but not for the graphics.
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Wow, seriously? I can't believe this is like their 5th game on the same engine, and soon a 6th game; and they still won't develop a new engine.
Of course it's counter productive for them. They still can't get the crap that is Black Ops to run properly, if anything, they've been "counter-productive" with every COD game release after COD4. Developing a new game engine that works properly would take dedication, motivation and a good team of skilled programmers/3D artists (in other words to make an effort and spend some extra time and money to make a game better), which are all the things IW/Treyarch couldn't give a sh** about. They'd rather just milk the teat of the mindless console customers dry and hop on to the next trend bandwagon.
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