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you know when i took a look at this article i thought...this is going to blow up..and it did so i might as well add my 2 cents in...

look i personally prefer Source Engine over COD's...and heres why.....True it may not have all the pretty "oh look at that" as the COD engine does, but you know what it does offer that the COD engine doesnt.....fluid game play and constant updates to fix issues, big and small alike. I love Valve games simply because they have something that works, and they use it and make great games with it....all being different games....different interesting stories (Half Life 2,Episode 1,Episode 2, Portal, LFD, LFD2...)

Whenever Valve releases a new game, its great. they take their time and really wait till the game is ready and very rarely do you have massive issues with a game from Valve when it first comes out. I would like to point out the failure that is Black Ops.....if Activision is bragging about not having to change their engine and blah blah then why was that such a failure on PC if they used the same engine that was fine for MW2.....i likes MW2....to a point. it was very arcade feeling, and really no strat behind it...kill streak = win..that its...if you can get your kill streak you got it in the bag....Valve games like CSS even Half Life 2 Death match took more skill to get your kills up there.

I know im probably gonna get flamed by COD or console fanboys but im gonna stand by what i said...Source is more polished, and Valve makes great games because of that, and regardless of what the COD crowd is gonna say...they have some very complex levels and look fantastic...Episode 1 and 2 look so good....and i look forward to Episode 3 simply becuase the source engine is still impressive to me...yea sure COD engine looks nicer, but when a new COD game comes out and half the community cant run it becuase of "bugs" i will just keep smiling and go back to my valve games.

EA seems to be the same with Valve...they dont rush their games, and they have a good combination of good graphics and good game play/fluid feel. People complain about BFBC2...but i liked it, it reminded me of BF2 and BF2142 days...when pc gaming wasnt what Activision thinks it is.....and consoles have really turned good developers away from making great games...becuase its "easier" and they make more money becuase the console gamers are under some illusion that console gaming graphics are actually good.....this is to both PS3 and XBOX

i will always take game play/less bugs/fluid feel/good game over another COD reskin pile of garbage that console gamers will defend in and out because they really think they have a great game when in reality it will be replaced with the same game a year later....

i love graphic games, and i love what they can do. Crysis looked great, and still does but i wont say it was a good game becuase it had a very boring storyline...good looking game, garbage game play.....i have hopes for crysis 2, but not to high.

BF2 is still a very big and popular game and its been around forever....same thing with the original CS and even Halo (on console)....they all use old engines and still sell copies daily....and will sell them becuase they have good, polished games (although im not a halo fan, the engine is pretty balanced and ill give them that) but COD and Activison need to take what they have and maybe make an actual WORKING STABLE ENGINE....

its like COD took their game engine after MW1 while it was still an "infant" and said "awwww look at how good we did, lets make it better" and instead of helping it grow they throw it into the ceiling fan and started playing Metallica.....then gave it a band tee shirt and released it a year later with a new title...but not before completely ruining it....

if it works, why is it that every game you come out with always has some massive problems that prevents half the population that buys the game from actually enjoying it?!?!?! seriously....wth is wrong with you.....every game they have brought out since MW has had to have more then one massive patch to recover from "bugs" and "problems"...how about you stop being lazy and fix it in the first place? you have had 2 games to do it....i am willing to bet any money the next COD Activiosn disaster they bring out is going to be like Black Ops....OMG RAWR ITS SO NEW RAWR RAWR LOOK PRETTY GUNS RAWR GRASS RAWR TRESS oh wait...only 1 in 3 people can play it becuase of random bugs and issues, lets wait another month or 2 and release a patch so it can actually play like it did 3 years ago....when it was MW1.....

sorry i know someone is going to yell at me, or flame me....or notice my spelling/typing mistakes....yea sorry im a bad typer..so if you call me out on that then please, put your mouth around the tip of my pepperoni stick and enjoy

/rant <3 valve
I prefer the source engine, even graphically...hahah
post #172 of 258
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Originally Posted by ilhe4e12345 View Post
you know when i took a look at this article i thought...this is going to blow up..and it did so i might as well add my 2 cents in...

look i personally prefer Source Engine over COD's...and heres why.....True it may not have all the pretty "oh look at that" as the COD engine does, but you know what it does offer that the COD engine doesnt.....fluid game play and constant updates to fix issues, big and small alike. I love Valve games simply because they have something that works, and they use it and make great games with it....all being different games....different interesting stories (Half Life 2,Episode 1,Episode 2, Portal, LFD, LFD2...)

Whenever Valve releases a new game, its great. they take their time and really wait till the game is ready and very rarely do you have massive issues with a game from Valve when it first comes out. I would like to point out the failure that is Black Ops.....if Activision is bragging about not having to change their engine and blah blah then why was that such a failure on PC if they used the same engine that was fine for MW2.....i likes MW2....to a point. it was very arcade feeling, and really no strat behind it...kill streak = win..that its...if you can get your kill streak you got it in the bag....Valve games like CSS even Half Life 2 Death match took more skill to get your kills up there.

I know im probably gonna get flamed by COD or console fanboys but im gonna stand by what i said...Source is more polished, and Valve makes great games because of that, and regardless of what the COD crowd is gonna say...they have some very complex levels and look fantastic...Episode 1 and 2 look so good....and i look forward to Episode 3 simply becuase the source engine is still impressive to me...yea sure COD engine looks nicer, but when a new COD game comes out and half the community cant run it becuase of "bugs" i will just keep smiling and go back to my valve games.

EA seems to be the same with Valve...they dont rush their games, and they have a good combination of good graphics and good game play/fluid feel. People complain about BFBC2...but i liked it, it reminded me of BF2 and BF2142 days...when pc gaming wasnt what Activision thinks it is.....and consoles have really turned good developers away from making great games...becuase its "easier" and they make more money becuase the console gamers are under some illusion that console gaming graphics are actually good.....this is to both PS3 and XBOX

i will always take game play/less bugs/fluid feel/good game over another COD reskin pile of garbage that console gamers will defend in and out because they really think they have a great game when in reality it will be replaced with the same game a year later....

i love graphic games, and i love what they can do. Crysis looked great, and still does but i wont say it was a good game becuase it had a very boring storyline...good looking game, garbage game play.....i have hopes for crysis 2, but not to high.

BF2 is still a very big and popular game and its been around forever....same thing with the original CS and even Halo (on console)....they all use old engines and still sell copies daily....and will sell them becuase they have good, polished games (although im not a halo fan, the engine is pretty balanced and ill give them that) but COD and Activison need to take what they have and maybe make an actual WORKING STABLE ENGINE....

its like COD took their game engine after MW1 while it was still an "infant" and said "awwww look at how good we did, lets make it better" and instead of helping it grow they throw it into the ceiling fan and started playing Metallica.....then gave it a band tee shirt and released it a year later with a new title...but not before completely ruining it....

if it works, why is it that every game you come out with always has some massive problems that prevents half the population that buys the game from actually enjoying it?!?!?! seriously....wth is wrong with you.....every game they have brought out since MW has had to have more then one massive patch to recover from "bugs" and "problems"...how about you stop being lazy and fix it in the first place? you have had 2 games to do it....i am willing to bet any money the next COD Activiosn disaster they bring out is going to be like Black Ops....OMG RAWR ITS SO NEW RAWR RAWR LOOK PRETTY GUNS RAWR GRASS RAWR TRESS oh wait...only 1 in 3 people can play it becuase of random bugs and issues, lets wait another month or 2 and release a patch so it can actually play like it did 3 years ago....when it was MW1.....

sorry i know someone is going to yell at me, or flame me....or notice my spelling/typing mistakes....yea sorry im a bad typer..so if you call me out on that then please, put your mouth around the tip of my pepperoni stick and enjoy

/rant <3 valve
I respectfully disagree there. Anything to do with Battlefield series and its success/quality is all thanks to DICE, EA are just the moneybags who bought them out. EA does almost nothing these days besides paying for advertising/publishing the games. You can pretty much call EA the local games developers' bank, that's all. DICE/Criterion or any other games developers are still responsible for developing about 90% or more of the games EA release as "their own" these days.
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The only game I play on the xbox is Black Ops only because my friends play on it. But anyways, what I saw is that very often when you're running and you're getting shot, when you think you went behide the wall and you're safe, you actually die. You easily see it in the kill cams how people "lag" die. Meaning they get a shot registered but die a few ms later. I think that's a big lack of the game. Btw, CS 1.6 has an awesome engine, so did CoD 1. They are still using CoD 2 engine. But I guess in Black Ops something is different. I do know when I'm behide a wall when running and when not and it is very frustrating to die 0.5 sec later. (Not by a wall shot for anyone trying to say I got wall-bang)
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It's funny how when COD makes a reskin, everyone is up in arms, but when Valve makes Half Life 2: Episode 3123465456423 reskin, they're like: "Graphics doesn't matter we're all about gameplay"
I'm at work and sometimes I just scan through the forums but I just had to log in to respond to this......

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I've thought to myself many of times the PC gaming section of these forums should simply be called Valvefanboys.

These people pick one company they chose to support and untill the end of time no matter what they do they can do no wrong. Then those same people pick a company who they are going to bash and do in non stop no matter what they do.

It's really more pathetic then pro life vs pro choice people bickering back and forth.
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imo, the current engine is fine... their focus is honestly consoles, and it looks very good for xbox and ps3.

it looks damn good, runs great, and the feel to it is perfect for cod. (new cod that is)
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Too bad next to Frostbite 2 games, it looks like poop.
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I thought they usually do these things simultaneously
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CoD...Halo....same thing. Generic shooters.
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It's funny how when COD makes a reskin, everyone is up in arms, but when Valve makes Half Life 2: Episode 3123465456423 reskin, they're like: "Graphics doesn't matter we're all about gameplay"
Absolute bollocks. Is there Valve fanboyism? Yes. But it actually is somewhat founded. Valve didn't keep the same graphical fidelity in their HL2 updates. HL2: ep1 I believe had a couple improvements and HL2: ep2 had an entirely renovated Source engine, somewhat akin to what Bethesda just (allegedly) did.

Additionally, even if we valued gameplay above graphics (which many certainly do), we also maintain that CoD has devolved into an unmitigated crapstorm of unbalanced weapons and perks.

So what was your point again?
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A game's engine doesn't make the game good. What makes a good game is gameplay, updates, and DLC (including user generated). IW has yet to change the gameplay, they do update their games, but the DLC always sucks.
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