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1) find a cure or at least a vaccine.

2) educate about the importance of safe sex.

i honestly don't consider any of your options as "viable". he was probably asked the question at some point "how would you go about finding a cure?" and his answer is very clean cut and logical, but its not right
Right but people aren't honest and that's the problem. A vaccine would work, if it was free and distributed world wide. And we have started sex education programs, where has it gotten us? Kids know about condoms, the world knows about condoms, people still refuse to use them. I know the options are a little harsh but obviously our current situation hasn't been that amazing. Aids continues to rise, I'm guessing so do other STDs. The problem is that even if we are educated we make choices to do very dumb things.

Vaccines are a viable solution, only once they are found. Currently a lot of the heavy STDs don't have a vaccine. So as of now that's not an option, I was only listing sets of viable solutions to date. We can hope for a vaccine, but how many more people die because of that? What is the greater good, kill the infected or hope that they don't infect any more?

[edit] I don't think they are humane solutions, however I do see where people like this are coming from. Bill gates has already done speeches on C02 emissions and how we need to cut this back. He mentions a formula, one of the variables is human population. Now whether or not he talks about that variable in a serious tone he acknowledges the fact that we are part of the problem. Over population is an issue, so are diseases and things like aids. While we don't take the straight and narrow on the solution we should acknowledge that these solutions exist and have a higher probability of success than something like a vaccine.
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He's a bit extreme in his ideas (to put it lightly), but he does make some good points to consider. Maybe you don't agree but if you have an opinion of your own he might offer an enriching perspective.
    
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He's a bit extreme in his ideas (to put it lightly), but he does make some good points to consider. Maybe you don't agree but if you have an opinion of your own he might offer an enriching perspective.

Yeah he's definitely extreme, he was getting rather passionate towards the end of the lecture tongue.gif Like you said, even you don't agree with him, it was a great eye-opener into the effect of software patenting.
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my favorite stalman thing he has ever said, was in his "blog" about how we should sterilize everyone when they test positive for a std.
I've seen worse

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Well the STD thing follows the ame scenario as the AIDS epidemic. If you want to really get rid of it you have only a few options.

1)Quarantine them (island, make sure they won't survive leaving).

2)Make sure those who have it can't spread it, ALL COSTS. Keep them from reproducing or even enjoying the act? At least they can't spread what they have.

3) Kill them.

It's not a pretty solution but... In all honesty it's the only solution that will work hands down. Everything else we have tried hasn't even contained any of the more annoying diseases.
At various points in human history we've faced diseases that provoked this sort of reaction, stuff like leprosy, tuberculosis, the plague, syphilis (all of which can now be cured) or things like smallpox (which have been eradicated). If you start going for the extreme ****, then there is no incentive to find cures. Also, because these diseases are not man made, there's no guarantee that killing everyone who has it will get rid of the problem.

I have no doubt that AIDS will be cured eventually. Maybe within my lifetime, maybe not, but I'm sure they will find some way of curing it, before moving on to deal with more horrific diseases that will come up. And thus the circle of life continues.
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I feel as thought RMS takes the most extreme position on arguments simply because when you're forced to work with strongly ideological people, you usually have to at least compromise a bit in their direction to accomplish anything. By taking the extreme, RMS guarantees that there will be at least some acknowledgement of freedom.

I look at his opinion as more of a 'political strategy' for the Free Software Movement.
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Total nutcase, but a really good speaker and does make some strong points. I like him .
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AIDS and most STD's aren't a traditional pandemic.

we've known about the dangers of it for what, 30 years now? we educate our youth to the dangers of it.

even educated, and condoms being cheap or even free, people still do stupid things for stupid reasons, even with testing for aids and other std's is either inexpensive or free itself.

people should be held responsible for their actions, but "sterilizing" them or "isolating" them from the general populace is a bit extreme imho.

now infecting another person, on purpose or not, should hold penalties, like i said with the cost of prevention items, such as condoms, and testing or even being less "generous" with our "intimate" activities. we don't live in the dark ages, where information is little, ignorance is a disease in its own right, there honestly isn't an excuse for the continued spread thru the populace (yes there are exceptions like rapes and non-sexual transmissions of AIDS.) but even then, those risk factors are considerably lower than the primary transmission of the disease, poor judgement.

maybe an alteration to our own social contract with the world, where it is not abnormal to ask for test results before agreeing to "intimate" activities, why not it works for the most part for the working ladies/gents in nevada and pron...(this could be just another example of another "extreme" but less extreme imho to isolation and death.)

and we have completely (or should i say I) hijacked this thread

regardless of stallman's general view of the world, you can't argue with his brilliance. gpl and open source might not be commercially successful but it is a right step in the right direction.

like i've said before, i might not be a 100% behind gpl (the license), but i'm definitely behind OSS.

i personally believe there are countless petabytes of source code of "old" software out there, that was either deemed commercial failures or simply no longer commercially viable, or the company went out of business and its source code was sold off to the highest bidder, who locked it deep away in a vault somehwere, never to see the light of day again.

theres been plenty of times where i've seen old programs, that haven't been updated in years, that had what i wanted, but were so old, they didn't support the current OS i was using, or hardware, and i thought to myself "only if i could get the code...".

i know 95% of the computer using world could careless about licenses, or would even be interested in modifying source code, but there are still plenty who would love the chance. imho people who not constrained by budgets, bureaucracy, the ignorance of upper management, deadlines, guidelines, etc, can be very creative and produce some beautiful programs at their leisure.

the software industry is a cutthroat business, i believe it has grown stale and stagnate, that if it wasn't for OSS constantly competing, we wouldn't get the development in the proprietary would that we see now days.

perfect example of the damages of proprietary license, i purchased a few wifi cards and a few webcams, with in six months, the manufactures stopped supporting them, they don't have 64 bit drivers (these devices were purchased in late 2008). they don't have linux drivers, so i can't use them there, and the 32 bit drivers for windows are flaky. now i personally don't have an experience with coding a driver, but i know people who do, who claim if full specs were released about the devices or the source code to the drivers, they would be able to fix the problems and produce 64 bit drivers, for linux and windows...(i didn't buy the devices to use in linux, bought them to use on my windows machines, so i'm not upset that the don't work in linux, i knew there wasn't any linux support before i bought them. i'm upset that six months after buying them, the companies dropped support to go with their new line of hardware, that was 3 times more expensive...)

to me the only reason to keep "outdated" or "obsolete" source code to drivers, or any software, is to force people to purchase the new stuff...which is fine, but having a shelf life of 6 months, and then force me to buy new cause you wont fix the old...now that is one less sale you will have from me, cause i will move onto a new hardware that doesn't do this...


steve jobs has been noted as saying "hardware doesn't matter, it is the software that does" (paraphrasing here, i've heard him say this several times over the last 10 to 15 years.) bill gates knew when he started MS, software was where the money was, even tho the industry considered it moot at the time, and that hardware was where it was at.

to obtain stallman's perfect world of freedom for software, you would have to take down companies like MS and Apple that control a considerable large portion of the software market. as more and more people start realizing the inherent flaws to proprietary, and become more interested in programming (as it is becoming stupidly simple to do with all the available frameworks, api's, sdk's, etc) we will start seeing a shift where people wont care to protect their source like its gold in fort knox, as most independent programmers depend on a community, and most will want to give back their perceived taking from the community. so we will start seeing the grasp of MS and Apple (and the others) start to diminish over time, and a hopefully a new sensible paradigm is formed...
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I'm just saying that current methods have failed, as of now those are the options. I never said they were reasonable and that you can't wait for a Vaccine.

Oh, and aids has a cure, but currently the people who can't get infected are extremely small. It's a genetic defect that causes it too, very interesting how it works out.

As for now I agree, we wait.
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To keep balance in the world you need people on both extremes (while the majority sits somewhere in the middle)... can't fault him for his passion, even if you don't agree with his views.
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