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Mac laptops do have very good battery life which is one of the main reasons I think they are actually a decent choice if someone has the money and doesn't plan to game on it. I still really dislike apple and the fanboys that follow but they do have some decent products. Not the be all to end all products some make them out to be but not terrible.
Good point. There are alternatives like laptops with those ultra low voltage processors from Intel like the SU7300 or the 330UM that last a long time, but I don't think they can compare to a Macbook's battery life even if they're a lot cheaper.

I just bought one of those $900 ASUS Bamboo laptops that have about ~6 hours of battery life for a 14" laptop with a i5 450M. I'm sure that Macbooks have 8-9 hours, if not more. I guess it's worth the extra cash for a longer battery life. I honestly think they could pack more unique features and specs for the same price.

I just don't like Apple's business model, " Who cares what you're getting as long as you're happy. Do it because we told you so. Then we can throw in lower spec'd parts for even more $$!! Also, never question us."

But in all seriousness, every person with a Macbook that I meet tell me it's better, just because. Apple makes some cool products though like iPod and the iTouch. Things like the iPad and Macbook, I won't let them get off easy.
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post #112 of 377
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And this is why we look down on apple.

And for chrissakes EVERYTHING is a PC.
Exactly. Even TVs can be PC, or rather Personal Computer. The iPad, iPhone and the other items Apple peddles are all PCs. To me that "post-PC" jargon is all a market gimmick to get more people to buy their wares thinking it is better than the PC sitting at home when in fact they just bought a NEW PC that has the Apple seal of approval on it. Apple did it before with the MAC years ago, hell they even tried to say they "Invented" the mouse in 1984, when in fact they were 21 years too late (look it up, 1963 the mouse was invented). More and more Apple is becoming a status symbol for people who will pay large amounts of money just to say they own an Apple product. Capitalism at it's best.
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post #113 of 377
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I doubt that, since there will still be a major place for portable computing power, especially with people that need keyboards for typing, and a mouse for precision.
Portable computing power, yes. Netbooks, no. With smartphones, tablets, and laptops of varying sizes, these just is little room for a netbook.

And don't confuse "netbook" with "ultra-portable laptop". A lot of laptops have been positioned as "netbooks" when it was a trendy term, but they are still laptops. A true netbook, or perhaps I should say the "classic" definition of a netbook, is an internet-only device. Like the Chrome thingamajig.

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Tablets, well, I think there is a lot of interest, but no manufacturer can seem to bring one out that has the capabilities and specifications without adding worthless geegaws. Like 2 cameras? That's double the fail.
Um...what? How is a front and back camera "fail"? One is for taking pictures, the other is for videoconferencing...it's necessary, and if they didn't have them we would be complaining about not having them both!

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So, yeah, following those "guidelines" it is OK to charge 500 just for a touch screen since what matter is the experience. The computer could be running a Celeron S for all they care, since it doesn't affect the value.
Um...yes, partially anyway. The experience IS the value...that's the part of the whole Apple world that Apple-haters rarely, if ever, grasp. Too many are focused on assigning monetary value only to the physical components and assume that nothing else has any value whatsoever, and that's just not how the world works.

Now why it only partially works is because a Celeron S is not going to deliver an experience likely to be valued at $500. Modern technology absolutely enables the experience, I've said that already once. But the technology is not the experience itself, nor is it the only thing of value in the product.

Some other posts were talking about the asserted intelligence difference between Apple fans and haters, using cars as a bad example. Honestly, the ability or failure to grasp the basic concept I've outlined here is a differentiator. Granted that not everyone rejects the "value" argument because they are stupid, some just reject the philosophy of it; but unless they reject that philosophy universally, effectively arguing that intangibles cannot drive profit margins at all, then I think that's hypocritical.
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i like the post, after all apple pc's are my favorite..
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i'm starting to notice this. Apple gloss over tech specs and seem to make the product fun to use and simple, while the competiton will use tech specs to their advantage. different strokes for different folks
Only thing apple has is the app store. Not a better product, just a more secure store filled with medicore products that won't ever make you bored.

No company advertises like apple does. Surely, if Billgates was still ahead of MS, apple would surely fail.

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But in all seriousness, every person with a Macbook that I meet tell me it's better, just because. Apple makes some cool products though like iPod and the iTouch. Things like the iPad and Macbook, I won't let them get off easy.
I know exactly what you mean. Let alone, they'll argue that their programs are much, MUCH better. It's always funny seeing them lag behind on their better products.
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It's not the RAM or CPU speed, screen resolution or number of ports which dictate whether a product is valuable; it becomes purely about the experience of using the device.
What a lol...

Yea, I guess $2,500 for a Xeon + 5770 isn't important so long as the "experience" is "okay."
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"I'm sorry, Apple. I like your iPod Touch. However, you still won't get me to type up my papers, watch videos or movies, chat online, or do some online gaming on an iPad, which is pretty much the only affordable thing you have to offer.

Oh, can the iPad 2 fold? No? Thought so. You can never fully satisfy me then =/ I live in my world, not YOURS."

...is what I would tell Apple.
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apple sucks seriously.. why do people even bother
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Only thing apple has is the app store. Not a better product, just a more secure store filled with medicore products that won't ever make you bored.
Apple has good multitouch, the app store, and higher resolution displays (iPhone 4 i mean) but loses (IMO) in terms of customisability and the fact that you can't get the phones truly unlocked without importing.

i don't understand why it's taken HTC et al to catch up on that front.
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With smartphones, tablets, and laptops of varying sizes, these just is little room for a netbook.

And don't confuse "netbook" with "ultra-portable laptop".
To me, a Netbook is any laptop that is portable (rather than luggable) and lacks an optical drive (requiring a network connection for downloads and updates). I think a cloud-only netbook is a non-starter because of the lack of inexpensive high speed network infrastructure - although they could gain a foothold in certain enterprise environments.

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Um...what? How is a front and back camera "fail"? One is for taking pictures, the other is for videoconferencing...it's necessary, and if they didn't have them we would be complaining about not having them both!
It's double fail, although bad looking, blurry, low resolution pictures might be slightly less fail than "video conferencing". The only thing worse than video conferencing is the morasse of the webinar. I'd rather have the cameras option deleted, and put in something useful, like a radio tuner, or an extra USB port or an extra card reader. Really, I'd rather have a full, 10" or 12" screen, and the ability to view Flash, than the goofy low quality cameras that would receive the tape treatment.
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