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Originally Posted by kora04 View Post
Haters gonna hate.



As for Apple, I don't think it's an "Apple's Post-PC World."

It's just a "more of Apple world". PC is still here, and will stay here for a long,long time.
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And that chart includes iOS and Android, combined at just 2% total amongst 90% of windows computers. =P
Edited by Kand - 3/6/11 at 12:50am
post #232 of 377
Ha, Apple computers do not offer a quality experience and this article missed out all the BS that was said in that show.

For me it will always be about technical specs and getting the most from my system, thus that is my user experience and I can't do that without having awesome equipment and tantilising specs.
    
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Macs function quickly and fast because they are so incredibly locked down. The honest truth is if you encapsulate yourself in a tiny box you will get everything done faster than if you are in a big box.

iOS is a great OS because it works well doing exactly what it is supposed to do, but nothing more. You can't expand upon it easily or readily. To that effect it's terrible as well.

Also, I love this article saying how we don't need to worry about CPU speed or memory or anything. But then the Mac is sold at various pricepoints featuring (guess!) different processor speeds, memory amounts and hard disk space (SURPRISE!)

Haha. Oh, Apple.
     
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post #234 of 377
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I read all your posts. Smartphones and tablets are not cloud computers?????? The Google laptop has only a stripped out OS and a web browser on it. Essentially that is it. All of the "Apps" on it reside on servers somewhere else. The only processing left for the laptop to do is run the browser and supply the graphics, maybe some other rudimentary work is done on the laptop as well. You don't install programs ever, it is literally nothing with out the internet, but likewise doesn't require any thought to use. It seems very in keeping with the Apple ideals.

Smartphones and tablets have programs on them and can have apps installed onto them. They are not cloud devices.
Okay...am I really being this unclear? Does anyone else understand what I was saying, or am I really not making sense?

I am NOT arguing the merits of cloud computing. That is an entirely separate topic for another thread, if you want to engage in that discussion I will gladly participate and certainly argue FOR cloud computing.

This conversation is/was about products. My argument is simply that there is little to no room for a cloud-only device with a laptop form factor. People can get the same functionality from an ultraportable or an Atrix-like device. Whether native apps can also be installed is not really the point...although it could be used as an argument to bolster my case. If native apps can be run (MS Office being a killer app), or if that same device can be used as your phone (Atrix); and if the price is roughly the same for all of these options; what motiviation is there to choose a cloud device? For the same money, you have chosen a comparitively crippled device.

Now I don't know for sure what pricing for these things are, but I know that ultraportables can be had for $400; the Atrix I think $200 plus $400 for the laptop dock, so $600? Where does the (as my only known example) the Chrome laptop fall? Unless it's like $250, I don't see the value proposition here.
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Read a bit through the thread and I can see the point of the article, however I only partially agree with it. What he is saying is 'Experience trumps specs' which in the end it does for EVERYONE (even a Windows type guy like myself). If I could buy cheap hardware, and get an awesome experience on Windows, then win! I think where PC and mac users differ, is their idea of a great experience. Mac sell the glossed up, dumbed down experience, where things (apparently) 'just work'. This is great for people browsing and wanting a nice looking laptop.

I think the point I try to make with people, and other Windows oriented people try to make (albeit in a bad way sometimes) is that to them - that is NOT a good experience. To me a good experience is being able to download almost any software from the net without having to see if my O/S is supported, or buying a game without seeing if my O/S is supported.

I think overall the idea of the article is correct (that user experience sells), but people have different opinions of what a good experience is.

/rant
I will leave my post with one example though, of how a macu ser (my girlfriend) is brainwashed with the whole 'its apple so its awesome thing' - THIS is the type of thing that annoys me. If people give me a genuine reason why their mac suits THEM better than a PC, then no worries, just dont jam it down my throat....anyways here it is:

Mac mail was not behaving correctly for her, so she decided to use entourage that came with her office suite for MAC. I didn't realise entourage was very similar to outlook, but she said she hated entourage compared to iMail (or whatever it's called) becuase it looked crap. So not knowing what it looked like, I said 'OK, fair enough, I'm interested to see what it's like now'. On looking at entourage, I said 'that's basically outlook' and she said yeah I dont like how the preview pane is on the right hand side, instead of being UNDER the list of mail, like it is in iMail'. Again, I said 'oh, well it really doesnt make a difference, but whatever floats your boat.'.

Here is where it got annoying: I sent her an article on OSX Lion, where it showed the new mac mail app, with the preview pane to the right, similar to outlook...first sentence in her reply went 'OMG the new mail app looks awesome, that is SO CLEVER putting the reading pane on the right - I know you don't like macs but you have to admit that is cool'. THAT is the kind of brainwashing I hate - as soon as mac make the simplest change, some people eat it up like it's gold.

/rantend

With cases like that aside (and I'm sure that situation happens the other way around, with windows users being brainwashed, which is annoying too) I don't see why people can't just realise that different people want different things and have different priorities...really, it isn't that hard. Relax people!
Edited by gill - 3/6/11 at 6:06pm
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I like the games I've put on my iphone 4. They are good for those pockets of time we all get during the day. I especially like Infinity Blade, which makes fun use of the touch screen.

However, when the day is over and it's time for some real unwinding, I turn to my PC. Though it took some effort to get her where she is today, and some tinkering to get her stable, it was damn well-worth the trouble.

My 93 year old Great Grandfather loves using his Mac because it works without fail. But what does he do? Looks at pictures, plays virtual chess, and sometimes browses the net.

It's all about what you want to do. I want to game at 2560x1600 with total immersion, and I'm willing to deal with the added burdens of such a demand. He wants his computer to work when he sits down to use it, whenever that may be. They don't meet my personal standards, but they work just fine for my grandfather.

Naturally, my demands are heavily dependent on the hardware inside my machine. Tons of hardware specs factor into my 2560x1600 immersion.

You think my grandfather cares if he's got the latest processor?
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I like the games I've put on my iphone 4. They are good for those pockets of time we all get during the day. I especially like Infinity Blade, which makes fun use of the touch screen.

However, when the day is over and it's time for some real unwinding, I turn to my PC. Though it took some effort to get her where she is today, and some tinkering to get her stable, it was damn well-worth the trouble.

My 93 year old Great Grandfather loves using his Mac because it works without fail. But what does he do? Looks at pictures, plays virtual chess, and sometimes browses the net.

It's all about what you want to do. I want to game at 2560x1600 with total immersion, and I'm willing to deal with the added burdens of such a demand. He wants his computer to work when he sits down to use it, whenever that may be. They don't meet my personal standards, but they work just fine for my grandfather.

Naturally, my demands are heavily dependent on the hardware inside my machine. Tons of hardware specs factor into my 2560x1600 immersion.

You think my grandfather cares if he's got the latest processor?
Well put +rep'd.

If I had the time right now to write an essay in response I would.

However, I would just like to mention one thing: While the guy who made the statement in the OP is an idiot, most users follow his trend of thought. If anything, we (OCN'ers) are the ones in the tiny box. How many people do you know at school/work think themselves to be hardcore PC users, but don't even know what the difference between "OVERCLOCKING" and real overclocking is? 10 more points in a benchmark make us drool, but what would a normal "gamer" think much less a normal user?
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It is an interesting idea. Make the customer happy, and the money will follow. /sarcasm

In the future I do believe that hardware will take a back seat for the mainstream consumer. Heck even now a Sandy Bridge / Phenon 2 CPU and a mid segment GPU is more than enough power for any "mainstream" user. It will be all about the users experience with the software / OS on said software.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next 10 years.
I will tell you how....Steve Jobs will be dead(or retired) and Apple sales will plummet like Khadafi's bank account.
not wishing the man harm,but the writing is on the wall
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Hardware specs are always concrete, software then has to live up to the potential.

If Microsoft or Sony released the Xbox 360 or PS3 right now, with that archaic hardware thats in it now, but for the brand new price...

That would be the dumbest thing we have ever heard.

Why? There were some great titles yes? Of course there were, but you are not selling the releases of yester year for 60$ a pop. Brand new markups on games from 2006 would cause the entire product & associated titles to fail immediately, if not sooner. Nobody would pay it.

Do the same thing for a laptop, release archaic hardware from 2005, that can run XP. Charge the Windows XP + Laptop new price. See how well it will do today. It will fail.

Apple does it every year with their hardware lineup, and now their tablet. They then resell it and the old price + a little more (depending on your flavor)... and people think this is "brilliant?"

Hardware allows developers to expand their creativity, their program sizes, and their speeds. There is a finite limit to what any set of hardware can do. There is also an increase in speed and productivity on running yesterdays software on todays hardware.

Everything that can be done on a Mac, in some form, can be done just as easily as it can on a Windows based machine, and then some. If you are one of those who doesn't believe that is true, you are blind, ignorant, and or biased. IF you know this to be true, and you prefer the Macintosh, then I am 100% okay with that, because its a choice made with some brain cells.

Same goes now for the Mobile market Android vs. iOS. You can claim hardware doesn't matter, but then it goes to show your development team isn't really trying or pushing new boundaries. Thats fine if you want to keep selling your older stuff and ideas. People will always be paying full price for those Apple products regardless of them being good buys or not.

Edit:
If the MacOSX is a necessity as it can potentially be in some discernible buyers reasons, there is always the hackintosh route. Its much more affordable, potential for physical upgrades, and reliable.
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Hardware specs are always concrete, software then has to live up to the potential.
Do the same thing for a laptop, release archaic hardware from 2005, that can run. Charge the Windows XP + Laptop new price. See how well it will do today. It will fail.

Apple does it every year with their hardware lineup, and now their tablet. They then resell it and the old price + a little more (depending on your flavor)... and people think this is "brilliant?"
Of course this is brilliant, they're the only computer company that can make money doing this!

There are a few things in Apple's defense though. First off, they do update hardware. Their recent MBP update actually brought new Intel processors and thunderbolt which have not yet been released on other laptops in the same form factor. The iphone4's screen was new tech as well.

As for general performance, I don't think most people actually need much raw horsepower in their computer. The essence of a computer OS is 2d apps and a GUI tying everything together, and it's been this way since the original Apple/Windows OS. Some HTML5 stuff can take some power, but nothing that even a dual core phone can't handle these days. Most home users, and most professionals don't ever do anything processing intensive.

Also, resale values on macs are fairly stellar, this is something I think many people overlook.
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