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Macs are for old people and young people that don't know how to use a real PC
And for Professionals in the Movie industry/Music Industry/Google Engineers/Professional Astronomers/Physicists/*Nix pros/etc.

Both OSX and Windows can be used by the dumb and intelligent. One is preferred by the true professionals vs the so called "computer technician" kids who think they know how computers operate.
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Macs are great machines, but I don't think they fit every user group. Especially the one that presides on this forum...

I just don't agree with the haters that say that Apple should die and that Macs are absolute trash. Those people need to wake up and realize that 1) Macs have the best build quality of any personal computer and 2) They serve their purpose and do it pretty dam well. In many cases Windows is the best option for some (gaming, cad, other windows only applications) and in many cases a Mac would be the better option (student, media production, mac specific programs).

Why anyone would think either option is trash is beyond me, because they both have their strengths and weaknesses.

You could argue that yes older and more "computer illiterate" people buy Macs, but really if you look at Apple advertising and how easy OSX is to use, why wouldn't they pick a Mac. As hard as it might be to believe some people don't need all the "power user" features that Windows can offer, some just want a simplified computing experience; which is what I think Apple is shooting for. All those media editing applications don't really offer much more features than their Windows competitors, but the fact that they are much easier to use makes them more popular.

You could also argue that Macs tend to have older and less powerful parts, but really again you have to look at what Macs are appealing to, the people who want an easy to use computer. When I owned my Macbook Pro it ran almost every application a "normal" person would use (Internet, Flash Games, Flash Video, DVD, HD Movies, light standalone games, iMovie, chat/im, video chat) perfectly fine on the Core 2 Duo chip.

The only arguement I will agree with is the price factor, which is pretty steep but if you look at competitors the only real competition in build quality and specs is the HP Envy series (but it lacks in battery life and slightly worse build quality) In the desktops I have yet to see a smaller and easier all in one to work as well as the iMac does. The screen is also very good and when you compare prices for the entire system they come out pretty close, with the iMac still having better build quality and overall easy of use.


For those who say tl;dr basically I said that Apple topics should be banned from this forum because of the bias that exists in the user base (its not bad) and that Macs and Windows PCs have their pros and cons, neither is bad/trash.
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Yep, we'll just agree to disagree.
I...Agree. hehe


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Maybe he was, but I didn't get the impression that he was asserting that you personally thought case modding was a good way to spend money.
Yeah I see your point there, however he quoted me, so it seemed like it was directed at me...didn't want someone putting words in my mouth is all, I'm sure people can understand that.
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post #274 of 377
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lol no, its not
I was half kidding. They definitely push the usability factor over the flexibility/options/capability which is totally fine and also in turn is why it appeals to people who are not the most tech savvy much more than Windows does... this is undeniable.

I was serious about it being sad/worrying that so many engineers/science majors don't know how to use a PC in college. They are going to need to by the time they graduate, thats for sure.
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And for Professionals in the Movie industry/Music Industry/Google Engineers/Professional Astronomers/Physicists/*Nix pros/etc.

Both OSX and Windows can be used by the dumb and intelligent. One is preferred by the true professionals vs the so called "computer technician" kids who think they know how computers operate.
don't believe everything you see in film and TV. Certainly macs are well used in the movie and music industry, however they do not necessarily dominate and in most industries with businesses of any decent size macs are almost non-existent due to their inferior security and the difficulty in getting them networked with non-apple products.

I always find it funny when they show things in tv shows like House where all the computers in a major hospital are macs.

The hardware points with Apple for me are always moot, they don't even make their own products half the time, instead they leave it for an odm like asus.

Software is software, to some people their os and other softwares are very appealing and useful.

Apple's only real genius over the past several years has been their marketing team and taking advantage of a couple opportunities with the ipod and iphone.

They also got helped out tremendously by the poor implementation of Vista. Which in and of itself is not a bad OS, it just wound up being put on way too many machines before the hardware was ready for it. I have a buddy with a gateway lappy with 1.6 dual core on it and 1gig of ram. It came with vista pre-installed how in the world was that expected to run smoothly?
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Engadget Is in love with apple... they bug. Read slashgear. They are at least partly android fans also.

I got the Moto Xoom tonight. And i must say its freaking incredible. And it makes android 2.2 and iOS 4.2 both seem like a joke. Yea the I pad is nice, but Android 3.0 Honeycomb is an entire new level of personal and portable computing.. it is a huge step. Like the original iPhone was, the xoom n 3.0 is huge
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don't believe everything you see in film and TV. Certainly macs are well used in the movie and music industry, however they do not necessarily dominate and in most industries with businesses of any decent size macs are almost non-existent due to their inferior security and the difficulty in getting them networked with non-apple products.

I always find it funny when they show things in tv shows like House where all the computers in a major hospital are macs.
How could anyone actually say that with a straight face?

None of what I stated has anything to do with TV or what's shown IN a movie. Professional engineers/scientists/entertainment industry prefer MACs. Some schmuck working at an fortune 50 auditing/financial company and just so happens to use a computer isn't the kind of professional I'm referring to.
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How could anyone actually say that with a straight face?

None of what I stated has anything to do with TV or what's shown IN a movie. Professional engineers/scientists/entertainment industry prefer MACs. Some schmuck working at an fortune 50 auditing/financial company and just so happens to use a computer isn't the kind of professional I'm referring to.

Wow wow wow. I am a professional mechanical engineer AND worked professionally in architecture/interiors. I also make music. Professional engineers, scientists, and architecture firms... almost ALL of them run Windows, at least for the workstations. You cannot be serious? Doing Architecture and interiors - essentially design, we don't use a single Mac. Some of the much larger firms have Mac's... in their marketing departments. As an engineer we are all using dual screen Windows boxs... no Macs. I think you have gone off the deep end. For music production its about 50/50 with the big name people mostly using Macs (they have the money to and the systems are typically more stable due to the fewer variations in hardware and OSX greater native support for media production in general).

Oh and by the way Windows 7 is MUCH more secure than OSX. It isn't as safe though currently since a much greater number of attacks are aimed at the Windows platform (because people use Windows 9 times out of 10)... If you are a company (which can be directly targeted for an attack) the safety evaporates pretty quickly because there are simply more holes and exploits in OSX that have been long since closed on the Windows platform.
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Wow wow wow. I am a professional mechanical engineer AND worked professionally in architecture/interiors. I also make music. Professional engineers, scientists, and architecture firms... almost ALL of them run Windows, at least for the workstations. You cannot be serious? Doing Architecture and interiors - essentially design, we don't use a single Mac. Some of the much larger firms have Mac's... in their marketing departments. As an engineer we are all using dual screen Windows boxs... no Macs. I think you have gone off the deep end. For music production its about 50/50 with the big name people mostly using Macs (they have the money to and the systems are typically more stable due to the fewer variations in hardware and OSX greater native support for media production in general).

Oh and by the way Windows 7 is MUCH more secure than OSX. It isn't as safe though currently since a much greater number of attacks are aimed at the Windows platform (because people use Windows 9 times out of 10)... If you are a company (which can be directly targeted for an attack) the safety evaporates pretty quickly because there are simply more holes and exploits in OSX that have been long since closed on the Windows platform.
You want to show where you're getting your facts on how OSX is ridden full of holes and how Windows has somehow has closed them all long ago? Microsoft and security don't belong in the same sentence.
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Apple isn't just challenging perceptions of the PC -- they're saying that the age of the PC is over
I never get tired of saying this: PC = IBM PC Compatible. Mac is a PC and has been for a couple of years. Apple is merely producing PC-compatible laptops with a preinstalled OSX, that's it, and frankly, OSX is a rather obscure operating system that is used by about 4-5% of computer users. The only "good" thing about Apple is their marketing team - time and time again they masterfully brainwash people into thinking their products are good and unique.
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