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If you have read the last gorillion pages maybe you would have come across that people who buy macs usually buy them to get stuff done. I like buying a new computer and being able to use any printer, wifi network, bluetooth device, etc. flawlessly within seconds.

Maybe you have time to d**k around on the computer all day (and maybe you feel you are superior because of that) but many do not have that time.
MY PC works flawless. Any issues PC's have 99% of the time can be blamed on the incompetence of the user.

You say people buy Apple to get **** down. I laugh at you for paying a ridiculous price for it when you could have spent half that on a PC of the same specs and loaded the latest OSX on it.
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Please think before you type.. the mac mini is 1.4" tall, where are you going to put ram and half height video card? You still have to lspace for the Opt. drive and HD. Better go buy a laptop and gut it for the parts. Which is my point, custom builds suck for some things.
And the Mac Mini sucks in general terms, weak processor coupled to very weak video, and basically, little choice when it comes to peripherals. If the ultimate goal is to make a computer that is smaller than a Mac Mini - it can be done but would be cost prohibitive. Of course, a Mac Mini sucks if you want two hard drives (of course, you could have their fake "server" model that has two drives, but all of the weaknesses of a Mac Mini).

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Also in a sense people don't build modern computers, they assemble them.
Taking a puritanical point of view, no one has ever built a computer, since they have all been assembled from parts made by others. When one talks about a build - it refers to assembling a customed machine to fit some need or want, rather than buying an off the shelf prebuilt.
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MY PC works flawless. Any issues PC's have 99% of the time can be blamed on the incompetence of the user.

You say people buy Apple to get **** down. I laugh at you for paying a ridiculous price for it when you could have spent half that on a PC of the same specs and loaded the latest OSX on it.
And I laugh at you for dicking around on your computer all day while I am getting **** done.

BTW, I have a MacBook Pro. Because.. you know... people that get stuff done generally leave the house.
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MY PC works flawless. Any issues PC's have 99% of the time can be blamed on the incompetence of the user.

You say people buy Apple to get **** down. I laugh at you for paying a ridiculous price for it when you could have spent half that on a PC of the same specs and loaded the latest OSX on it.
This was true at one time, when Windows was weak and opened to all kinds of virus and malware attacks, DDL hell, rampant registry problems, crappy drivers - coupled with shoddy, inferior grade machines with thrifted, underpowered processors. Even the most expert struggled to maintain some kind of uptime - while Apple machines just hummed along.

But times have changed, and Apple has not been able to keep up. Their much vaunted OSX remains virus free, but is also pretty much free of applications that people want to use. Developers are either hard core and can put up with XTools - or don't bother porting. The don't bother porting is in the majority. OSX has also become goofy and absurd, with too many mandatory "features" that sure, are gee-whiz enough, but suck away system performance.

This was something that MS had excelled at, jam packed with worthless features and bloated, with all kinds of built in anti-competitive measures and dancing paper clips. MS put their system on a significant diet, and Win7 is actually usable as a system - and if one adds in all of the applications that Apple will never bother to support - Win7 is a winner. Apple just keeps adding on the tonnage, stuff you are stuck with, quite often with "updates" that nuke useful bits of kit, replacing it with even more dreck and worthlessness.

Apple has created a new market with the iPhone and iPad - that of people who want to look like they are using a computer - but don't want the muss and fuss of actually using a computer or application. Apple proves that a company can score billions on selling dreck - just like MS did when they sold dreck like DOS 4, DOS 6.2, Win95, Win98, WinME - all brain damaged beyond belief but scored fat profits.

Apple also scores with their anti-competitive distribution model, where all of the users are coupled to their App Store - with no choice of other stores, or of getting the goods from developers, etc. When MS tried that, they were weed whacked by the DOJ and the EU - it's time for these organizations to weed whack Apple, so that people have freedom and choice when it comes to the applications they want.
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In this post-PC world, I'm surrounded by a bunch of yuppie hippies who love paying alot of money for junk, because someone told them it's the best.
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You mentioned Justin Bieber, Japan, and breakfast all in one post... and you actually thought you were smart?

That has nothing to do with Apple.
Justin bieber has everything to do with Apple. He represents this idiocracy.
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And I laugh at you for dicking around on your computer all day while I am getting **** done.

BTW, I have a MacBook Pro. Because.. you know... people that get stuff done generally leave the house.
Are you part of that group of people that sit in the Starbucks with your Macbook Pro?




I kid, I kid. I work at a College where we have Macs, PC's, etc. I work with both, Do majority of work on PC's, (since we are about 90% PC). Generally, our Mac's have very similar software setups than our PC's. (Minus CS4, because we don't have licenses for PC.) Other than that, there isn't anything I can do on a Mac that I CANNOT do on a PC. Of course, I'm not big on video editing, which is *from what I hear* a huge hit on Macs.

So for my educational purposes, could you tell me what you do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC? (I mean that as an honest question, not as a smartass reply.)
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And the Mac Mini sucks in general terms, weak processor coupled to very weak video, and basically, little choice when it comes to peripherals.
What you think of as weak is pretty muscular for a year old design, and according to engadget... "it's one of the most perfectly-executed small PCs we've ever encountered, and it can indeed hook up to almost anything and accomplish nearly any task."

Core 2 Duo @ 2.66 and nvidia 320m and 10w idle, incidently making it the greenest pc ever. But hey it's stupid to care about the environment right?

Grasping @ straws? Gee i'm limited to the peripherals that can be attached via the back, including "USB, FireWire 800, gigabit Ethernet, an SDXC card slot, mini DisplayPort, HDMI, mic in, and audio out, which supports optical out"


You have proven Apples point, it's not about speeds and feeds for the majority of computer users. What you think of as "sucks for performance" for most general computing tasks will be productive and snappy.

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If the ultimate goal is to make a computer that is smaller than a Mac Mini - it can be done but would be cost prohibitive.
As I said in my orig post, the point of which was well understood and accepted, custom builds suck for some things.

My secondary point is no you can't build it, saying it doesn't make it so. Show me what parts you would use. Existing laptop boards are excluded, as they aren't retail parts.
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So for my educational purposes, could you tell me what you do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC? (I mean that as an honest question, not as a smartass reply.)
Well for the biggie now, develop for ios. Have you ever heard of aperture, textmate, Garageband, Logic Audio, Final Cut pro, apple color, shake, omnifocus and there's more. Granted that list is heavy on Apple software, but "Business 101" leverage what you have. It's still unique. Pretty much anything "firewire audio interface" is better or exclusive on a mac.

In general, you can do most stuff on either, just like any car will take you most places you want to go. If you are a creative professional theres a lot of niche software for the mac well entrenched because it is or was superior to what is or was on Windows.

And if your a Developer or just curious about computing in general, OS x, the best unix on a desktop, is a clear winner. You can run windows or linux in a window, etc or at bootup. The os x experience is constantly adding cool stuff, like multitouch, magic mice, spotlight, gadgets, I used to hate iTunes, but really is winamp better? now with remote, airview, sharing, app store etc, I'm have some grudging respect for iTunes.


Now in a world where theres a million programmers and MS is still the richest company ever, can MS do most everything that a Mac can do? Yes. Did MS get there by copying Apple. Yes, largely.
Edited by hellonwheelz - 3/14/11 at 4:41pm
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