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Originally Posted by strap624;12743490 
The desktop PC will always be the backbone of business. No one wants to type all day long on a laptop and look at a tiny screen.

*cough* docking station *cough*
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Originally Posted by born2bwild;12743814 
No matter how much you like or dislike Microsoft, you cannot deny the immense contributions they have made to the software industry.

I didn't claim otherwise. But almost no one (except Microsoft themselves) tends to say they have "revolutionized" anything. Almost every great product out of Microsoft is an evolution of something invented somewhere else.
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Well first of all, I'd like to clarify something, laptops are PCs. Apple also agrees on that definition (classifying its iPod, iPhone and iPad as Post-PC devices but not its laptops).

Well...okay, but now we're getting into that same territory that some people use when they say "Macs are really just PCs". Yes, all of this stuff is just a "personal computer" running Intel processors, etc. But as a product category, I think we all know that "PC" usually means a desktop in these conversations. If you want to include laptops in that category, then we're maybe not too far apart.
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Also, this VDI technology you mention is fairly common and available in most companies. But you see, corporates have a large amount of confidential information, and as you know what is encrypted can be decrypted. So many remain unwilling to share so much of their sensitive information to their workers outside of their own facilities, and that is why desktop PCs will remain there.

Actually VDI is secure, no sensitive documents are ever on the client device. That's in contrast to, say, just letting someone VPN into the network; that connection is encrypted, but if they copy a sensitive document onto their laptop, now it's outside of the firewall boundary. With VDI, nothing but an encrypted stream ever has to leave the boundary, and there is no permanence required on the mobile device. It's actually pretty slick from a security standpoint.
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And finally, I would appreciate if you could keep the conversation about Apple, or any related tech discussions we're having, and not on my personal faults of being "clueless" or anything similar you might think I am.

Fair enough, you're right. My apologies.
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Originally Posted by Ding Chavez;12734698 
"Apple's 'post-PC' world" Okay. Are they on drugs? More like Apple's BS fantasy world.

The PC is the king of the 21st century. Apple is irrelevant and just a marketing 'image'.

Apple is are from irrelevant. Do you live under a rock? I don't care for their smug attitude or BS comments like this thread title, but seriously, you have to be in denial to make a post as dumb as that.

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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon;12744476 
*cough* docking station *cough*

I didn't claim otherwise. But almost no one (except Microsoft themselves) tends to say they have "revolutionized" anything. Almost every great product out of Microsoft is an evolution of something invented somewhere else.
In this point you make out that Microsoft are 'bad' for doing this...but what is an iPad? An evolved Tablet. iPhone? An evolved smartphone. iPod? An evolved MP3 Player. Would I say all three devices are quite 'revolutionary' still - yes.
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post #344 of 377
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Originally Posted by Kold;12745928 
Apple is are from irrelevant. Do you live under a rock? I don't care for their smug attitude or BS comments like this thread title, but seriously, you have to be in denial to make a post as dumb as that.

You think my post is dumb, I think this article is equally dumb. So you just jump in don't say anything yourself and insult someone. You're a moron. It wasn't meant to be 100% serious like the UN style debate going on.

The world will continue to use computers whether they be PC or whatever, that won't change anytime soon thus the 'post PC' world is a long way off if ever. You can connect your ifridge to the internet if so inclined but I don't think it will help much. A laptop (PC or Mac same thing apart from OS) with mobile broadband is more useful for business or consumers. Then there's big phones with internet and all that. Do we really need more? Need no, consume yes.
Edited by Ding Chavez - 3/16/11 at 3:32am
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I pretty much see AAPL as a visionary company, that the tech and creative world would be much poorer without.

The below points were questions before Apple made them a reality. Not a proof of concept laboratory reality, a puts people in jobs, a food on the table reality.

Mouse?
Gee, unix on a consumer desktop, think that will work?
People paying for music online?
New smartphone from apple, no stylus?
Tablet computer with big sales numbers?
Online app store?

Perhaps the problem with apple for people is they are doing to many thing too well. Mark my words Apple will have a store for physical goods. I'm sure that it's one of the reasons that ipads have the most expensive IPS screens. Currently the most accurate color device ever shipped in mass quanities to consumers. Once retina ips iPad displays are common, even high end coffee table books will have less color fidelity than the device people are already used to buying with. Buy a couch from iTunes, yeah it's going to happen.

There's a large group @ ocn who think the iPad display is a disappointment, but I bet 90% of them use a display that has much, much worse color fidelity, gamut and viewing angles.
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Originally Posted by gill;12746667 
In this point you make out that Microsoft are 'bad' for doing this...but what is an iPad? An evolved Tablet. iPhone? An evolved smartphone. iPod? An evolved MP3 Player. Would I say all three devices are quite 'revolutionary' still - yes.

No, I actually didn't say, or even intend to imply, that Microsoft was "bad" for this. I was simply pointing out that the previous assertion that Microsoft was some uber-revolutionary IT company in the 90s-early 2000s was overstating the case, that no one views them that way.

And I guess perception is the bottom line issue here. How does one actually define "revolutionary" when it comes to IT? There are very few true brand-spanking new ideas in IT these days, everything is an incremental step or two forward from one or more previously invented concepts. This certainly will lead us all to internally define "revolutionary" and "evolutionary" in slightly different ways; but when we use the same words without stting context, I think we wind up with misunderstandings of intent.

So in that spirit, I personally tend to define "revolutionary" as a "game changer". Not that something is brand new, or even that it's the first time something was implemented well enough for mass adoption; but rather, it changes the way people behave. Some of the things we have been talking about, why I would call revolutionary, and my rationale:
  • iPhone: Completely killed off the PDA once and for all. Completely redefined what a smartphone should be, spanning multiple "me too" products. Completely usurped the wireless carriers' business model, turned them into much more of a network pipe than a content provider.
  • iPod: Or actually, not the iPod so much as the iTunes integration behind it. The iPod+iTunes store legitimized and uber-simplified downloadable music, driving the first nails in the coffin for compact discs and usurping the recording industry's business model.
  • iPad: This one is tougher to see because it is so new. But it is not just a glorified iPod Touch, it does fit into a different product niche. And its uptake among business pros has been remarkable, the IT trade rags have stories about it every other month. Just as the iPhone was difficult to see in this light early on, I think the iPad is equally difficult to see; but my money is on this surviving for the long haul and really changing the kind of device people want for themselves permanently.
  • eReaders (Kindle): Have changed the way people buy books permanently. Between Amazon.com and eReaders, brick-and-mortar bookstores are going to go extinct.
  • Microsoft Office: How many of you are old enough to remember when Word and Excel were actually sold as separate products? Once Office was released, this pretty much changed the way knowledge workers worked...everyone had all of the products, and they all worked well together. There's a reason MS Office is the de facto standard.
  • Microsoft SharePoint: If you're a knowledge worker and not using SharePoint for collaboration, you are missing out on some really good stuff. This is Microsoft's biggest, best product IMHO right now.
I'm sure I could think of a lot more, but I think this illustrates my thought process.
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Originally Posted by gill;12746667 
In this point you make out that Microsoft are 'bad' for doing this...but what is an iPad? An evolved Tablet. iPhone? An evolved smartphone. iPod? An evolved MP3 Player. Would I say all three devices are quite 'revolutionary' still - yes.

I have encountered many people using an iPad and its # 1 use seems to be cheap browser games like Hangman, Angry Birds etc.

The only people who I have seen it used for Business is Pilots. Which they have all the Airfield maps and documents they need on it.
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eReaders (Kindle): Have changed the way people buy books permanently. Between Amazon.com and eReaders, brick-and-mortar bookstores are going to go extinct.

Not true Myself and many others hate reading books on screens. I will never purchase books digitally and prefer a paperback/hardback.
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sad but true...
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The only people who I have seen it used for Business is Pilots. Which they have all the Airfield maps and documents they need on it.

You need to pay more attention then, or hang around where they might actually be used for business. I see people using iPhones and iPads for business purposes all the time...in business meetings. I was in a meeting the other day where two of the three guests we brought into our building were using iPads, not laptops.

And I personally use my iPhone for corporate e-mail and calendaring all day, every day. That may not sound like much to you, but it's why BlackBerry exists as a company at all...that stuff is probably the most important function these devices can provide to business users.
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Not true Myself and many others hate reading books on screens. I will never purchase books digitally and prefer a paperback/hardback.

I don't dispute that, but the numbers on your side of the field will only shrink over time. My 3-year old son loves his paper books, but he also will grow up never knowing a world without eReaders. That will be the de facto norm for he and his generation, and eventually paper books will become a niche for a specific market just like (for example) vinyl records are today.
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And I personally use my iPhone for corporate e-mail and calendaring all day, every day. That may not sound like much to you, but it's why BlackBerry exists as a company at all...that stuff is probably the most important function these devices can provide to business users.

Yes I agree with a smart phone for these purposes, but even those many of them are too big to fit in your pocket and holsters are uncomfortable. The iPad is much to big to carry around. Usually the only thing a laptop is used for is to display Powerpoint presentations via a projector.

The iPhone is a great device even though I refuse to buy one as it is extremely fragile.

The only people who use Macs is the Marketing department and even they used PC's as well

Apple is big in Smartphones and the iPad will certainly help them in the tablet market but the Mac is a small niche market with less then 10% global market share and is far from making a dent against PC's.
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