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I'm now looking for a good smartphone and I'm just disappointed that Apple has the best phone around without much competition, because there's no way I'm giving them my money I would be seriously ashamed if I walked down the street with an iPhone 4 (and I'm not exaggerating).
My Droid is a pretty damn good phone.

I think.

It does so much other stuff I sometimes forget it's actually a phone. Everything from seismometer to lulz-worthy metal detector to speedometer to wireless modem to bubble level.
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First decide between Android, Blackberry, and WP7. Then narrow it down by the most important spec, be it screen size, battery life, ect. After that, go from there. Good luck.
Some solid advice there.
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Good god...so much cluelessness in this thread. One side arguing that sliced bread is best because it's easier for someone to eat, the other side arguing that it sucks because it's not a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Why do so many OCN members have trouble objectively discussing Apple (or Android) without it turning into a fanboy e-peen you-suck-and-I-don't argument? Do we have some sort of zombie virus here that turns people into complete idiots whenever they see certain infectious keywords?

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Originally Posted by Betrivent View Post
And this is why we look down on apple.
You can dislike Apple products all day, if you like. But if you "look down on" them and risk being a fool. They are the second largest company in the entire fricking world. They are smarter than you. You're a kindergartner looking down on a PhD holder.

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And for chrissakes EVERYTHING is a PC.
True, but come on folks...we all know that "PC" has long since been appropriated to mean "Windows PC". No one calls Linux desktop machines "PCs" either.

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Originally Posted by mechtech View Post
The point of the article rings true though. Chips today, even cell phone chips, are powerful enough to handle any kind of UI people can dream up, be it 3D, touch-screen, pushed out to an HDTV, speech or handwriting recognition, even plain old mouse.
You and a few others successfuly extracted the point of the article. It's not about Apple being "better", or about selectively choosing when specs are worth discussing, or any of that stuff. It's about Apple being the first tech company to essentially start downplaying tech specs as the primary driver for technology buys.

You are exactly right that modern machines (PCs, phones, whatever) already have enough processing power to do almost anything that a brilliant inventor can imagine. This freedom from needing more horsepower to create a software function work properly will naturally lead to the next stage of compute evolution, the commoditization of hardware to such a degree that endpoint customers no longer really care what's inside. And I have been saying this for a couple of years now: do you really care what's inside your toaster? No, as long as it works! And we are taking the first steps down that path with hi-tech...most people don't care what's inside their Tivo, for example. Or even their phone: I get lots of questions from my tech-unsavvy friends and familt about iPhones vs. Android for example, but not once has anyone ever asked me about processor, system memory, or screen res of a phone...all they know is "Android", the end. This is phone commodization at work.

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I've been saying this all along. The age of netbooks is over.
Agree. Between tablets and innovations like the Atrix, I think true netbooks are on their deathbed. Lightweight laptops will always have a place, but concepts like the Chrome netbook make no sense to me anymore.

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Originally Posted by AtomicFrost View Post
It is an interesting idea. Make the customer happy, and the money will follow. /sarcasm
I know the "sarcasm" was added as a late edit, but I don't understand why that should be sarcasm. Making the customer happy is exactly how you make money...what exactly is controversial about that basic concept?

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Originally Posted by -iceblade^ View Post
i'm starting to notice this. Apple gloss over tech specs and seem to make the product fun to use and simple, while the competiton will use tech specs to their advantage. different strokes for different folks
Very true, agree. I actually was pretty vocal complaining about the early Android TV ads, where all they did was talk about tech specs and show some "lightning" or "sci fi" graphics to try and make you believe it was some super-gadget...but never really showed you the device working at all. If that's what appeals to their target demographic, good for them I suppose...but it just made me question the product. Contrast that with almost every iPhone/iPad ad, where they actually show you the device screen being used by lots of people in lots of ways...*gasp*! Crazy talk I know, but this is basic marketing 101.

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If it weren't for recent innovations in technical specifications, then the components powering iDevices would still be stuck in a previous generation or so.
Others have said this too...but this isn't the point. No one is debating that tech innovation and advancements are any less important to Apple products than other products. Apple's assertion is that, at some point (and they apparently believe we have reached this point), the end customer no longer really cares about that stuff. Features and functionality trump the tech stuff than enable features and functionality.

Does that apply to everyone? No, of course not. There are some people that truly care about the specific components that go into a car engine...but most of us couldn't give a crap, as long as the car does what we expect it to do.

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Originally Posted by just_nuke_em View Post
Seems like marketing genius to me. Most people could care less about the insides, and Apple is going to capitalize on it. If they use it and like using it, then they will buy it. There are a lot of technically ignorant people out there.
Exactly what I was saying a moment ago. I don't know if it's "genius" or not, I just think that Apple is on the leading edge of recognizing the commodization of PC tech and adjusting its marketing accordingly. Come to think of it though, other companies do this too...maybe Apple is just better at it than some others.

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I really don't like apple. That being said, I think you guys are missing the point here. He isn't trying to say that specs don't matter, obviously they do. He is trying to point out having good specs for the sake of having good specs is pointless if it's not noticeable.
Again, exactly. Glad to see some rational thinking from someone who dislikes Apple, by the way!

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Originally Posted by Shredicus View Post
Why does Apple have so many comically aloof proponents?
They are hardly comically aloof. Quite the contrary, I find that the Apple haters generally often bash on Apple for irrational reasons as often as Apple defenders cannot effectively explain their position. In other words, there are intelligent people and idiots on both sides of this argument.

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Originally Posted by Telimektar View Post
I can't wait to live in the post Apple world, unfortunately it seems it won't be in my lifetime.
Again...second largest company in the world. There is no such thing as a "post Apple world" on anyone's horizon right now. You will see a post-Microsoft world long before you see a post-Apple world!!!
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I'm now looking for a good smartphone and I'm just disappointed that Apple has the best phone around without much competition, because there's no way I'm giving them my money I would be seriously ashamed if I walked down the street with an iPhone 4 (and I'm not exaggerating).
Android based phones are quite superior to the iphone IMO
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I've been saying this all along. The age of netbooks is over.
I doubt that, since there will still be a major place for portable computing power, especially with people that need keyboards for typing, and a mouse for precision.

It's like all of the people that declared the death of the desktop. Desktops won't disappear because a major portion of people need the power that is available.

I think it is more correct to say "the age of the netbook as a fad is over", but with stuff like Bobcat coming out, netbooks are only getting better.

Tablets, well, I think there is a lot of interest, but no manufacturer can seem to bring one out that has the capabilities and specifications without adding worthless geegaws. Like 2 cameras? That's double the fail. Not saying that it won't be popular, but I think it would be better if they had actually improved the product, like put a full 10" screen in it, rather than the cheezy, oddball size they selected. But then, the other manufacturers are not taking it seriously, either with deficient products like the HP Slate, vapour like the Asus, or the costly but their ain't no apps Playbook.

If Apple thinks it's a "post PC" world - they are deluded, because people want more out of their PCs, and their weak devices are not up to the job.
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Apple need only delight consumers and tell them that specs and and speed are the domain of a dinosaur called the PC.
Can it run Crysis 2
    
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It's not the RAM or CPU speed, screen resolution or number of ports which dictate whether a product is valuable; it becomes purely about the experience of using the device.
So, yeah, following those "guidelines" it is OK to charge 500 just for a touch screen since what matter is the experience. The computer could be running a Celeron S for all they care, since it doesn't affect the value.

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Originally Posted by Betrivent View Post
And this is why we look down on apple.

And for chrissakes EVERYTHING is a PC.
This.



So now, knowing about the technical specs of your PC is for geeks, and dinosaurs.

My hate grows bigger with every apple thread.

Edited by ilam3d - 3/4/11 at 6:18am
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Android based phones are quite superior to the iphone IMO
I don't know any android or W7 phone having that resolution, or an IPS screen
     
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Can it run Crysis 2
I think the majority of Apple users could care less.
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