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Just because you choose to violate the EULA (yea, who cares, it is not piracy, it is only one person, it is only MS your screwing) does not mean you can advocate piracy (yes, that is what it is, using software against the terms and conditions set forth in the agreement is piracy).

If you choose to be stupid and ignore facts (and are to dumb/lazy to read a simple thread by the site admin on the facts of OEM software) that is your own doing, but telling others to do the same is plain negligent.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should do something.


edit: this is not directed at the OP, who was just asking a question.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blupupher View Post
Just because you choose to violate the EULA (yea, who cares, it is not piracy, it is only one person, it is only MS your screwing) does not mean you can advocate piracy (yes, that is what it is, using software against the terms and conditions set forth in the agreement is piracy).

If you choose to be stupid and ignore facts (and are to dumb/lazy to read a simple thread by the site admin on the facts of OEM software) that is your own doing, but telling others to do the same is plain negligent.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should do something.
Pretty much this.

It doesn't matter what you think is fair or what bad things you can say about Microsoft. The deal is, they set the rules and you agree to said rules when you install the software. Choosing to ignore the rules, even when it's easy, is piracy and akin to theft.

Reading stuff like:
Quote:
If you bought the copy of Windows, you should be able to install it on whatever you want. If anything, the fact that they don't allow you do to that is theft, since it costs over $100 to begin with. Microsoft should not turn users off from upgrading their outdated hardware in fear that their Windows key will be invalid.
is upsetting. It doesn't matter what you "should" be able to do. There are policies. Rules. Agreements. Laws. This is what constitutes what you're able to do, not what you think you should be able to do.

I think paying $12 for a movie ticket is ridiculous. I think you should be able to see at least 2 movies for that price at the theater. Just because it's easy to walk from one movie to the next does not mean that it's right. It certainly doesn't mean that I should be telling other people to do the same thing, either.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
It is violating the EULA for OEM versions.


To be clear, this does work but it is a violation of EULA for OEM versions.
Yeha I don't have any OEM versions... I should have made that clear..
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I have had three different situation with Windows XP OEM, which came with my P4 1.7 Ghz from 2001; after a few years (I think it was in 2006) the DFI's motherboard's capacitors started blowing their tops off, and I couldn't find an identical motherboard, especially since it still used PC133 RAM.

So I bought an MSI 848P, which is, obviously, a very different motherboard. I phoned Microsoft and they asked me some questions. When this is the situation, they alow you to install the OEM copy on the new motherboard and give you a new activation key. In this case the EULA was not violated; an addendum to your specific contract between you and Microsoft was instead put in the agreement.

Later, while upgrading the CPU, I accidentally dropped the screwdriver on the motherboard, damaging it. I didn't want to bother Microsoft again, so I searched for an identical motherboard, and found one. When I booted the system, it didn't ask me to reactivate.

However, like another user said, when you change too many components (not necessarily the motherboard), it may ask to reactivate. In my experience, it all depends on the timeline in which you do it. If you do an upgrade every few months, it will reset the counter from time to time.

Once this funny thing happened. Witht the refurbished MSI 848P I got from eBay, i presume that Windows took notice the Lan had a different number, but that was probably not enough to reactivate. Anyway, I still had the 40GB ATA HDD, and I installed a Seagate 120GB SATA. Everything smooth. Then I bought an application (Casper XP) to clone the OS to the new harddrive. The I rebooted and set in the BIOS the new Seagate as the boot drive. After this Windows XP asked to reactivate. It didn't care when I had the two in the system, but when I put the Seagateas the boot drive in the BIOS, it took notice.

With Windows 7 64-bit I still haven't had any problems. It's the OEM version, and I have had a lot of HDD's connected (some from my Media Center, some from my legacy system, some from my laptop - mainly to do fast files transfers and secure deletions), have had 2 different CPU's, 3 different GPU's and two different TV tuners (once I had them both in the system), and Windows hasn't asked to reactivate. But then again, the motherboard is the same.
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nope. can usually get away with it, but legally speaking no.

might as well sell it with your mobo as a selling point. and buy retail!
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I have to say something. I have installed OEM windows on multiple computers when i upgrade. When you call microsoft and they ask you how many computers it has been installed on, i always tell them 1 and then what i replaced and why. I have never been stopped from activating. if the Microsofts own activation people allow it, why is it against the TOS here to tell him to try it??
Because you are encouraging EULA violation.


It is like telling someone that a store is easy to rob and they will probably get away with it.
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Because you are encouraging EULA violation.


It is like telling someone that a store is easy to rob and they will probably get away with it.
NO NO NO... I am not encouraging EULA violations at all. I am telling people that MS themselves allow you to activate OEM windows when you do upgrades. That is not telling anyone to violate EULA, im telling them that MS VIOLATES ITS OWN EULA. And your analogy is horrible. Robbery is not the same as Violating EULA. On a moral level it may be to some, but law is law, EULA is EULA and completely different.

Let me set this straight. I dont pirate anything, games/music/movies. And if MS ever told me that i cannot activate my copy anymore i would go out and buy a new copy. but when a company(i dont care what there EULA says) goes against there own EULA and allows me to install an OEM copy on Different machines(never on more then 1 at a time) it is not my fault and i am not to blame.

EDITerfect example. I owned gears of war for the pc. you are allowed to install it only 6 or 7 times(even though its tied to your windows live account). I passed 6 or 7 times, MS sent me a new disc with cd key when i called in(which invalidates there EULA saying you can only install it 6 or 7 times). A year later i hit my 6 or 7 limit again and they refused. so i went out and did a digital download.
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NO NO NO... I am not encouraging EULA violations at all. I am telling people that MS themselves allow you to activate OEM windows when you do upgrades. That is not telling anyone to violate EULA, im telling them that MS VIOLATES ITS OWN EULA. And your analogy is horrible. Robbery is not the same as Violating EULA. On a moral level it may be to some, but law is law, EULA is EULA and completely different.

Let me set this straight. I dont pirate anything, games/music/movies. And if MS ever told me that i cannot activate my copy anymore i would go out and buy a new copy. but when a company(i dont care what there EULA says) goes against there own EULA and allows me to install an OEM copy on Different machines(never on more then 1 at a time) it is not my fault and i am not to blame.
First, MS cannot verify if it is a new computer or not. They do not want to have a lawyer sitting in on every call. MS is not violating the EULA as they are not performing the act on installation on a new machine. The violation of the EULA is not the act of activation but installation.

MS has stated that just because they activate it, they are not saying that the installation does not violate EULA. The EULA burden here is on the enduser.

Who says my analogy has to do with law? My analogy has to do with morality and as you stated fits on a moral basis.

Your concept of how things work is flawed. i.e. I am driving 75MPH in a 65MPH zone and pass a cop but the cop does not bother to stop me.... am I still not violating the law? Inaction by the other party does not mean you are not violating anything.
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First, MS cannot verify if it is a new computer or not. They do not want to have a lawyer sitting in on every call. MS is not violating the EULA as they are not performing the act on installation on a new machine. The violation of the EULA is not the act of activation but installation.

MS has stated that just because they activate it, they are not saying that the installation does not violate EULA. The EULA burden here is on the enduser.

Who says my analogy has to do with law? My analogy has to do with morality and as you stated fits on a moral basis.

Your concept of how things work is flawed. i.e. I am driving 75MPH in a 65MPH zone and pass a cop but the cop does not bother to stop me.... am I still not violating the law? Inaction by the other party does not mean you are not violating anything.
no, it would be more like the cop escorting you along at 75mph in a 65mph zone. But bad analogy(both mine and yours) are still bad.

so your saying, when you call in and the MS representative that activates your copy of windows is told everything and they activate it(and that's the key, they don't allow you to activate it, THEY ACTIVATE IT FOR YOU), its still our fault? i don't think so. They are exactly saying that the installation does not violate EULA. You cant approve something(specially when i always give them full information on what is/has been replaced)Then say...no no no, we didn't mean it was actually approved. BS you approved it with all the knowledge of what was/has been replaced and you activate it.

now this will be my last response because i dont want to start a argument with a mod and end up being banned for my own views(whether wrong or right) since my views violate the TOS for this site i will no longer talk about EULA/TOS. I was just responding to what you said.
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