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I was introduced to those things with a constructive reinforcement as to why you can't swear in certain areas and that cursing really is the sign of either a person on the verge of "popping" or being limited in their vocabulary.

I would say I turned out fine but society seems to think otherwise. See having manners and a sense of intelligence is not welcome anymore (not claiming I have any but rather that I can recognize whether someone has it or doesn't).

The problem is not that kids are exposed to this...it's that they aren't taught to understand their actions in any context. I knew how to swear before most of my peers but didn't because I was given context against it.

Hence I wouldn't have a problem if I let my kid play Metal Gear Solid because it gives more constructive context than GTA does.
Right, but the problem is that you can't be there during the entirety of the video game.... Well you can, but lets talk feasible things. I can understand kids watching movies, the parent can talk about each part directly. The thing is, we've already seen evidence that some of this is getting imprinted on kids.

There was a good Psych example that my teacher brought up to us. The kid had been brought to the police station, for what reasons I don't remember. What was important is what happened and why. He ended up escaping the jail, killing 3 officers, and stealing a cop car. When he was asked where he learned all that, he said it was by playing GTA. Now you can say he didn't learn it ALL from GTA, and that is true, but to what extent was his brain trained to think that way by the game? We don't know, and we won't for a while due to multiple reasons.

As far as I am concerned, video games have a damn good reason to be rated. I think the ratings should change and classifications shouldn't be as clean cut as 17+. I don't rate games, I won't ever rate games, so I can't really say where to start.

Back to the thread, 17+, it is completely understandable. What if the original browser had settings restricting porn, or graphical material due to the kids age. Would you want your 7yr old looking up the sniper shots that were released in the Iraq war? Or what about crazy****.com? You want your 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.... What age DO You want your kids to be in order to view that type of material. Do you really want to be asked why that man has his face blown off? I wouldn't, I completely understand why that warning would be there.
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^So then why doesn't Safari get that warning? They both allow access to the same places.

If Safari and all browsers were to have the same warning then they would have shaky leg to stand on. Until then, this is nothing more than Apple being anti-competitive because they knew how shoddy their browser is.
     
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^So then why doesn't Safari get that warning? They both allow access to the same places.

If Safari and all browsers were to have the same warning then they would have shaky leg to stand on. Until then, this is nothing more than Apple being anti-competitive because they knew how shoddy their browser is.
there are parental control settings in OS X that give you options to try to block adult websites or to only allow certain websites and it is not downloaded from the app store (yet)
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there are parental control settings in OS X that give you options to try to block adult websites or to only allow certain websites and it is not downloaded from the app store (yet)
ROFL. Safari == OSX?
     
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ROFL. Safari == OSX?
i dont even know what you are trying to say

from the parental controls help menu:
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Use these settings to help prevent users from viewing inappropriate content from the Internet in Safari.
if you download opera from the mac app store it will give you the 17+ warning because the parental controls wont block content on opera
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i dont even know what you are trying to say

from the parental controls help menu:


if you download opera from the mac app store it will give you the 17+ warning because the parental controls wont block content on opera
And here's the logic problem:
So you use the "parental controls" and disable pron access. But you leave access to this App? Getting around controls on a Mac were pretty damn easy the last time I had to do it (a year ago). I don't see the difference between getting one browser or the other. All I see is another attempt at control and not the parental kind.
     
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And here's the logic problem:
So you use the "parental controls" and disable pron access. But you leave access to this App? Getting around controls on a Mac were pretty damn easy the last time I had to do it (a year ago). I don't see the difference between getting one browser or the other. All I see is another attempt at control and not the parental kind.
no you would not download opera and if a kid tried to it would require a password to download from the app store then you would get this warning and see that it would not be suitable...

you are trying to make this into a anti apple thing when all it is doing is advising users that the content that is able to be accessed in this app may not be suitable for younger users. if you are ok with that just click ok and it downloads.
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Apple is putting this restriction on all 3rd-party web browsers. Anyone interested in not using Safari should look at Mercury. Do an App Store search.
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I dont get it...

On another note, I like opera lot. It was my favorite until Chrome came around, and I have a suspicion that Opera may still be faster, but Im not sure.
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no you would not download opera and if a kid tried to it would require a password to download from the app store then you would get this warning and see that it would not be suitable...

you are trying to make this into a anti apple thing when all it is doing is advising users that the content that is able to be accessed in this app may not be suitable for younger users. if you are ok with that just click ok and it downloads.
I'm pretty sure that MS tried something similar back in their "monopoly" days only I don't think they went as far as saying that other browsers need a warning label since they're not controlled from within windows. Look in the control panel for default windows installs and you'll see the same things in terms of parental control. I can tell you for certain that if MS tried this same tactic they would be smacked with allegations of anti-competitive practices.

I'm not making this an anti-Apple thing. I'm making it an anti-wool over the eyes thing. But if people like being controlled then fine.
     
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