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Because your mouse and keyboard totally saturate 100gb/s...
With my insane macroing skills they sure do.

& Is there really point of wireless USB? Your keyboard and mouse already come with a transmitter and receiver so are they trying to make a wireless flash drive? fail.
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post #12 of 48
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Originally Posted by EvanPitts View Post
USB has issues, but the latency and speed issues are a moot point, since most USB devices do not require these. USB is entirely fast enough for mice and keyboards (even USB 1 was entirely fast enough), while keychains and SD cards are inherently "slow" and don't even challenge USB 2 speeds.

USB is perhaps slow when it comes to external hard drives - but people that really need speed for those devices will use better solutions, like FireWire, eSATA or NAS. USB is entirely fast enough for printers and scanners.

Wireless USB will be a better solution for printers than WiFi - since WiFi is a network topology that is not well suited for bit streamed devices (since networks are block oriented devices).

USB 3 has only been hindered because Intel has favoured Light Peak because it is proprietary, and they can attempt to monopolize it with onerous licensing agreements, while USB 3 is more of an open ended technology that all manufacturers can offer.

I don't think USB is dying, there is no evidence of that, since it will remain the standard that all manufacturers will offer. Thunderbolt or Light Peak - it is specious because I think few manufacturers will jump on it. Like, if manufacturers stayed away from FireWire because the chipset was $1.50 more than USB - they will not accept Thunderbolt if it is more expensive to implement.

I do not see any advantage in connecting video monitors through the port. Video is high bandwidth, so the people that complain about high speed USB having high latency, will surely reject the outrageous latency on Thunderbolt once they are passing great wads of video at high frame rates. I think Intel is aiming towards that in order to squeeze out widely adopted standards like VGA and HDMI, so they can score profits on selling their proprietary chipsets.

Besides, Thunderbolt is no Light Peak, since there is no fiber optic involved - and I think the cost of it will be a deal killer in a price sensitive marketplace, especially when there are zero devices that use it, and it remains unsupported on the vast majority of computers that run Windows or some variant of *Nix.
That's just like saying the new and improved 3.5" floppies are "fast enough today". Just because most devices are currently slow speed isn't an excuse to hold back innovation. Sorry but even Firewire is too slow for external hard drives and there's no point in having 4-5 different technologies that you have to buy a separate slot card to use when they can all use a standard LightPeak port and daisy chain together just like USB was originally intended to do. It's just too slow for 2011 so now it's time to move on.

Just because Thunderbolt is limited to 10gbs over copper, it'll eventually be replaced with fiver optic 100gbs without having to buy a new pci card to use which makes it more future proof.
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The entire article was a fail to me...

Stoopid author who let him write that trash?
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Intel and Apple alone is not enough to make me confident the technology will develop past where it is now.

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It might not be enough to make you confident, but it's enough to make the industry confident that it's a winner, I guarantee it.


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Besides, Thunderbolt is no Light Peak, since there is no fiber optic involved - and I think the cost of it will be a deal killer in a price sensitive marketplace, especially when there are zero devices that use it, and it remains unsupported on the vast majority of computers that run Windows or some variant of *Nix.
Light Peak was the codename, Thunderbolt is going to be the name used in marketing, regarldess of whether it uses optics or copper wires.

Also, "zero devices that use it" is misleading, since adapters are certainly going to be available for thunderbolt -> usb etc etc.
Edited by flamingoyster - 3/5/11 at 11:41am
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I don't know about you guys but having a wireless USB disk would be kinda awesome. Press a button on the USB, pc detects it and bam.

To charge the USB plug it in a USB port and add insane battery life to it
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USB has too much latency, too much overhead and is too slow; nor does it support existing mini-display ports which high bandwidth devices are already using. USB 3.0 is kind of like Zip drives: an improvement on a dying technology that is being replaced with something better anyways.
But doesn't USB3.0 has enough bandwidth to support even the fastest SSDs on the market?

Guess SATA 3 is crap too then I guess.
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But doesn't USB3.0 has enough bandwidth to support even the fastest SSDs on the market?

Guess SATA 3 is crap too then I guess.
USB 3 is limited to 3.2gb/s which is 400MB/s. SSDs definitely are faster than that, especially gen3 models coming out in April that are 500MB/s+. HD Raid arrays can attain those speeds as well as they're usually 100-120MB/s when copying files alone. Sata 3 is only 750MB/s. Raid0 SSDs easily attain 900-100MB/s(although you can use different controller ports).
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 3/5/11 at 12:16pm
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Well I'm getting a USB 3.0 HDD docking station and I don't plan on using it with SSDs.
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A little digressive...but Thunderbolt reminds of AMD XGP. I guess the lesson from XGP is that manufacturers didn't see the need for this new interfaceport and it didn't take off, which only makes sense?
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Are there any thunderbolt devices yet?????
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