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This is also happening with there gpu blocks. One more reason im glad i didn't buy anything ek.
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;12685981 
True but what if it enters the loop?

Also it could reduce the cooling performance.
And in what case would the accept RMA if that happens?

My concern, if this were happening to me, and it very well could as I said, I have 2x EK Nickel plated Acrylic topped GPU blocks, is that the plating itself would muck up my little pump... and shorten the mtbf... As far as a performance hit? No. Other than it looks like ****.

RMA... depends on what Ek have to say on the subject... I would push for a new plating job regardless.

As far as chemistries, the nature of my work gives me access to spectrum analysis (aircraft mechanic for the airlines), and my wife is medical technologist... so again, I have some access to some pretty sophisticated tooling to track whats happening... but anyone could do a pH strip on a loop... its just a hobby thing, and I am more curious than anything...

Silver and PT Nuke (biocides) work on very different levels... Silver is especially interesting as it is still theory as to why exactly it functions as an antimicrobial... I think of it as more of a preventative, were something like (a chlorine agent) affects ionization... silver probably works on the same level but is very sacrificial, ie. it gives up atoms to neutralize cells, and stops reacting once that occurs (oxidizes and becomes neutral), where as Nuke, may just keep going and going... and reacts with all sorts of stuff... especially when thinking of metallic bonding, sharing 2 electrons, making new compounds, which silver just does not do. thinking.gif
 
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Has this Nickel falking been reported with any other Nickel products especially in the CPU block family?

Like for example the Kryos XT Or HK 3.0 ?
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;12691572 
Has this Nickel falking been reported with any other Nickel products especially in the CPU block family?

Like for example the Kryos XT Or HK 3.0 ?

Dunno, the Ek plating in general is very thin... I don't have enough experience with other platings (on other blocks) to make a call on it. I suspect the plating is too thin, and the sulfur content to high on a given series. Its the porosity of the nickel, microscopic pinholes, that allow that reaction to take place under the nickel, which really undermines the whole purpose of having it plated in the first place... in that I would say "it does not work, this is not plated correctly" and get a new plating done on it, and pass that RMA onto Ek.

If they say its a corrosion preventative and charge for it, then it "should" do just that... if its purely aesthetic, different story. As far as where it was plated... I doubt they did it, probably outsourced, so they are dealing with there vendor as well... which could go any way, if that plating source says "no, its to the standard we agreed to", Ek may end up supporting the cost of the RMA, and say, F' it. Lost sales < cost to refurb. Bean counter call at the end of the day.
 
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Hmmm it would be good if someone rounded this issue up according to all reported cases of EK Nickel products that started flaking.

As far as I know EK GPU Nickel Waterblocks has reported cases and some Supreme HF Acetal/Nickel issues have been documented.

I just hope the HF Supreme Full Nickel series isn´t affected!!!!
Fore example Fat_italian_stallion is running that block with distilled + silver coils and hasn´t had any problems so far...I really hope the HF Full Nickel is flawless in terms of plating.

If anyone else has some knowledge about it feel free to post:)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kung Pow;12691746 
Hmmm it would be good if someone rounded this issue up according to all reported cases of EK Nickel products that started flaking.

As far as I know EK GPU Nickel Waterblocks has reported cases and some Supreme HF Acetal/Nickel issues have been documented.

I just hope the HF Supreme Full Nickel series isn´t affected!!!!
Fore example Fat_italian_stallion is running that block with distilled + silver coils and hasn´t had any problems so far...I really hope the HF Full Nickel is flawless in terms of plating.

If anyone else has some knowledge about it feel free to post:)

Im thinking that one is the Rev 2... who knows, but should be ok. Just need to have a little care as to what your cleaning stuff with, and additives... lots of soaps using petroleum distillates could cause issues...
 
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Originally Posted by Soggysilicon;12691795 
Im thinking that one is the Rev 2... who knows, but should be ok. Just need to have a little care as to what your cleaning stuff with, and additives... lots of soaps using petroleum distillates could cause issues...

Only problem is that there is nothing that indicates it is revision 2.
It looks the same has no markings of any kind that would describe it as rev.2
So how do you know? Maybe the ones with the jet plate 1 installed?

Hmmm I am seriously considering sending my unused HF Full Nickel back for a refund and getting a Kryos XT that is Nickel plated Messing.

That is the first time I have ever heard of nickel plating that parished.
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;12692043 
Only problem is that there is nothing that indicates it is revision 2.
It looks the same has no markings of any kind that would describe it as rev.2
So how do you know? Maybe the ones with the jet plate 1 installed?

I'm assuming that would be the easiest way to tell the difference. I believe the only other difference would be the spacing between the inlet and outlet holes which was revised to allow 2 1/2 ID compression fittings.
Edited by Colonel Sanders - 3/11/11 at 6:21am
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Does anyone know the tag of the EK employee that is a member here?
If you do please have him participate at this discussion and offer his thoughts.
Maybe he already knows something about that matter.
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Originally Posted by k0rnh0li0;12689834 
xtremesystems

check out their liquid cooling.

people have tried the ketchup trick but that only cleans it up and now check out.

2 drops have affected plexi GPU blocks
now 8 drops Peels of that Nickel Plating

i'm going with kill coil for now until PT nuke. PT nuke has a lot of diff solutions so i heard
Please post links to the threads there where the GPU acrylic is affected. There was a thread earlier that was in reference to reservoirs, and poor QC on the acrylic that was causing cracks; originally EK came out and blamed PTNuke, then Petra and others got involved and it was shown to be the quality of the acrylic and process. Further the GPU block tops were exempt from those issues anyway, as they're machined instead of cast (or vice versa, can't remember which is which). So far no issues have come up with acrylic tops and it is NOT the cause of the flaking, I think it's pretty clear that if it was severly corrosive like this then all the nickel blocks from every manufacturer would be having problems and would have been since nickel blocks came out. This is not the first time EK's made a nickel block, clearly something changed in their process several weeks/months ago that is now manifesting as a bad batch.

Would like to see an EK member get involved here though to clear the air redface.gif
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Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp;12690300 
This. First I'm hearing of someone claiming PT Nuke to be the cause of nickel plating stripping... very likely that the plating was simply applied poorly.
There have been claims at PTNuke for awhile now in this thread and the other plating-issue thread. It's annoying because it's really not the only common element between the cases, everyone just picks that one thread at XS and the issue in December when Eddy refused RMA's for PTNuke use and said it was causing problems- I think it was pretty clearly shown not to be the problem, I'm not sure why people aren't looking at EK more, I mean my blocks are fine with PTNuke, CU/Acrylic + CU/Acetal.
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Originally Posted by DirectOverkill;12690637 
WTH....now it is PT-nuke a probable cause?....I use identical product and now it make's me pull all liquid cooling out of case and go back to air, just to stay safe and sleep at night.
PT-Nuke is fine, just check your nickel blocks and go back to sleep wink.gif
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