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the XFX units are really solid and are very competitively priced, its hard to beat them at their prices.

OCing will be easier with 1600mhz ram and it doesnt hurt to have a bit faster ram if the price isnt bad. it wont make a huge OMG difference, but it cant hurt

for a CUDA GPU right now, for the money GTX560 (all these are good cards, the Gigabyte Super OC comes with a stock 1000mhz core clock and the card has some upgraded electronics) is about $250-270 and they are really strong GPUs. i couldnt find much cause not many people are using them for rendering, but if the application supports CUDA, they do seem to help and its a lot cheaper than buying a Quadro workstation card, specially if you dont use many GPU intensive rendering programs. there is also the Palit 2gb GTX 560. that would be good for larger resolutions (which you have) and will help with rendering larger projects. its only $20 more than a regular GTX560. for cheaper than that, there is the GTX 460. here are 2gb cards (the evga and palit cards are nice for $229, but anything more expensive than that and you can get a GTX560) and some 1gb cards to look at (from $179-199)

as far as the board goes, get the cheapest one that has all the features you need since you are going to replace it with an SR-2 anyway. make sure they support the server CPU
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great recommendations.

i will probably end up getting that palit as it has some good reviews. and that is definitely a beast of a card at a really good price range.

2gb vram should handle 3840x1200 right? also can be sli'd for when the third monitor comes.

i'm probably going to go with the rampage III formula as from what i'm reading, it has a pretty high bclk, some getting to around 250. which i'll need since the e5620 is locked at 19x multi.

thanks intelconvert. repped.

any other input on my build? or tips on oc'ing the e5620?
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if you want multiple screens, more than 1gb of vram is necessary. GTX560 SLI is more powerful than a single GTX580, so the 2gb GTX560 SLI cards will be powerful. remember, you dont add the memory of the 2 cards together in SLI, you only get an effective amount of memory equal to one card. the GTX560 is a strong card, but at that resolution, you cant expect the world unless youre running SLI GTX580s or similar amount of GPU power/cost. games like metro or crysis will be challenging at that sort of resolution, even for GTX560 SLI.

that board looks like a good board. the 5620 should OC kinda like an i7, you can look up some i7 OCing guides, there should be one on this board. just keep the multi at max (i7s like odd multipliers, so 19x like you said) then just look up what the max volts and temp is for your CPU. here is the Intel Spec sheet for the E5620. so you know from that that you need to try to stay in the low-mid 70s for temps and you can go to atleast 1.350v before going above the intel spec. you are probably safe for a little bit above that voltage, but you will have too look around more. make sure you get confirmation on acceptable volts and such before going above what is listed on Intel's spec sheet.


BAM:

Overclocking Intel’s Xeon 5620 on Asus’ Rampage III Formula


that should be much more specific and will use the same terminology that is in your board's BIOS. he pushes that board and chip really hard. if i were you, as a beginner, i WOULD NOT touch the PCIe voltages or frequency, this can cause lots of problems as you can see in that article. 211 bclk should give you 4.0ghz (211x19=4009mhz). if that is your goal, i would set that and then find your minimum stable voltages to run that. finding these minimum voltages will lower your temps. if it starts to not boot, ask for help or back off some, dont fry your new chip you can use Intel Burn test to do some quick test to see if its stable (5 runs or so), then you can get Prime95 and run some longer stress tests. i do 20 runs of IBT to test stability for my desktop processors (IBT pushes a lot harder than Prime95 and you will see some really high temps from IBT), but you might want to do some 2 hr runs when you are figuring things out and then once you settle, run prime for 8hrs. Long prime runs will simulate rendering and such and will be a more suited stress test for what you will be using the processor for

PS: in the following benches, the E5620 is IDENTICAL to the i7 930, so its a pretty close comparison despite some cache and fab process differences. the E5620 is much more power and heat friendly due to its updated fab process. if you get 2 of those on an SR-2, you should be doing some major processing

edit:

i found this, it has 8mb L3 cache like the i7 930 does (the 930 is equal in all the benches, synthetic or real, with 8mb cache) so you can save some money if you want to look at the Intel Xeon E5606. its 32nm like the 5620, its also 80w TDP

edit: 2, no hyperthreading, i knew it was too good to be true
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thanks for the advice. really opening up the options.

and that's one of the write ups i came across. definitely will not be touching the PCIe voltages or frequencies now that you've mentioned it.



so at this point here's my build. all prices include shipping and tax according to google shopping.

case: haf932 ($120 AR @ tigerdirect)
cpu: xeon e5620 @ 2.4ghz ($390 @ amazon)
fan: noctua nh d14 ($90 @ amazon)
mb: rampage III formula ($285 @ amazon)
gpu: either palit gtx 460 or gtx 560 ti 2gb cards ($230 & $280 @ amazon)
psu: xfx pro 850w ($120 @ provantage)
ram: gskill ripjaws 1600mhz 2x4gigs ($110 @ chiefvalue)
ssd: intel x25m g2 120gb ($230 @ amazon)
hdd: wd caviar black 640gb ($70 @ amazon)
opt: lg black 10x bluray burner + 10pk verbatim BD-R (~$120 @ newegg)

total: <$1815 after tax, shipping, & AR

so still sub $2k with $185 to spare. anything else i should add to the shopping list?



edit: yes those 5606s were on my radar but decided to stick with the 5620s as i figured if my oc failed then i'd still be pretty happy at 2.4ghz as that's the speed i've been working on. any lower than that and i'd shoot myself. hopefully the oc will go without a hitch.
Edited by shuckamuckz - 3/5/11 at 9:49pm
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case: haf932 ($120 AR @ tigerdirect)
cpu: xeon e5620 @ 2.4ghz ($390 @ amazon)
fan: noctua nh d14 ($90 @ amazon)
mb: rampage III formula ($285 @ amazon)
gpu: either palit gtx 460 or gtx 560 ti 2gb cards ($230 & $280 @ amazon)
psu: xfx pro 850w ($120 @ provantage)
ram: gskill ripjaws 1600mhz 2x4gigs ($110 @ chiefvalue)
ssd: intel x25m g2 120gb ($230 @ amazon)
hdd: wd caviar black 640gb ($70 @ amazon)
opt: lg black 10x bluray burner + 10pk verbatim BD-R (~$120 @ newegg)
that all looks like a beast.

i just hate on the noctuas cause the fans are hideous lol. they perform well and if there is no case window, it doesnt matter. i like the H50 cause its more appealing aesthetically, imho.

make sure that XFX Powersupply is the XFX Core Edition 850w. thats their newer series

make sure the Gskill RAM has good timings, look for 8-8-8-24 or 7-7-7-21 or 7-8-7-24 or similar

i strongly recommend the GTX560. with only a $50 difference and $185 left in the budget, it will greatly improve your off-time gaming, specially if you go SLI in the future.

last, i think you can get a better storage HDD; more space for the same price, one sec...
edit:
here are some drives to look at. they are all 1TB. there are a couple drives with more capacity (1.5-2TB), but they are a bit more, if you need more than 1TB lol

the WD AV-GP is built for constant use so they are reliable
the WD Greens are 5400RPM drives and are good for low power storage (the recertified one is cheap, if youre ok with recertified drives)
the Samsung F3 and WD Blue are 7200rpm drives.


Overclocking is not an all or nothing sort of thing. if it wont hit 4.0ghz, you can still try 3.5-3.8ghz. the hyperthreading is probably worth it if you are serious about your rendering work so the 5620 seems like the best option

PCIe frequency is 100mhz and you really shouldnt mess with it. you can cause all sorts of data corruption or just blow controllers and its all down hill from there. lol. just stick with the CPU frequencies and voltages necessary for the overclock and dont worry about clock skew and all that. those are settings for hardcore OCing and getting every mhz out of a CPU.
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i was thinking of going water but i read one too many horror stories of leakage. and i'm very prone to accidents so it was too big a risk for me. i had my eye on the h50 and h70 for a while though but noise and ugliness don't really bother me so i went with air.

that wd av-gp looks very interesting. can run up to 7200 so i think i'll be switching to that. i was going to buy an external raid (maybe a drobo) or something like that down the line so having a stable internal drive vs a performance drive obviously makes more sense. but a fast drive with 24/7 stability is a no brainer. great recommendation.

how's this for ram?
g.skill ripjaws 2x4gb 7-8-7-24
Edited by shuckamuckz - 3/5/11 at 11:12pm
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i love my H50. im running a Core2Duo E8400, so the temps dont even break out of the 40s when im playing crysis warhead w/ enthusiast details at 4.4ghz, tops out at 45*C. plus it just looks nicer and having some sort of liquid cooling just makes me feel better about the cooling on my CPU. i like that the H50 is pre-sealed and all. an overclocked quad core might be the limit for an H50. the rad doesnt really handle that much heat. an H50 will need a second fan atleast, or probably just step up to an H70 for an OC'd quad.

that motherboard has capabilities to run a RAID setup from the included chipset so there is no need for an external raid. you can throw in some more drives and use the included software to run several different raid setups. several of those AV-GP drives could make a really solid Raid 1 array, redundant storage

that kit is good, 1600mhz, good timings. its got everything i would look for in a 1366 rig.
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would an h50 have enough reach for a full atx like the 932? i've seen photos and the tubes seemed short.

with say a raid 1 on a couple av-gp's, and the gtx560 2gb, would i have enough power with the xfx 850w?

i'll probably need some breathing room as i may need to add an audio interface down the line.

i was also considering running a raid on ssd if the prices drop enough. don't know how much difference that would make but it would feel sweet knowing i had that setup.
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the H50 will reach the back of the case in an ATX case. i have my H50 rad mounted up top as an intake, per corsair directions for best temps. i had to bend the hoses around and such to get the hoses to loop around and reach the CPU socket. they are plenty long

the XFX 850w could do raid 1 with 2 or 4 drives, GTX580 SLI and that 5620 @ 4ghz+ without stressing. the 850w can sustain 850w easy nearly indefinitely. that PSU can put out 930w or so before it shuts down. it has several different protections so it will shut down before it fries. that unit can probably do 2x E5620, raid w/ 4 drives and GTX560 SLI. also, if youre rendering, your GPUs wont be stressed and when youre gaming your GPU and CPU load will vary, but the 2nd CPU wont be stressed much so it wont draw much. if you want to load both CPUs and both GPUs at the same time, that might pull more than 850w if all those are OC'd. in real apps, both CPUs and both GPUs wont be fully loaded unless youre running stress tests on both.

SSD raid is stupid fast and all, but until the prices drop, its not really worth it. also, SSD raid wont help with access times, but it could increase your peak data rates when transfering large files. SSDs also dont use much power cause there are no motors or moving parts, so you dont really need to worry about their power consumption when you have an 850w PSU
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thanks for all the good info intelconvert. repped.

i'll be taking pretty much all the recommendations you made. i'll try to keep this post updated with my build and oc.
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