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post #31 of 38
The NHTs are incredible speakers for their low cost...id look around on craigs for a receiver/amp to hook them up to...I nabbed an onkyo 603x for $90 and it looks brand new...dude took really nice care of it...non smoker in what was a pristine dust-free home.

I will say that you would definitely need a sub with them...awesome mids and highs with very light and tight bass. The NHT super8 that came in the 2.1 setup I picked up blends seamlessly with the superzeros without overpowering you with boom.
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Originally Posted by newphase View Post
I AM NOT implying that the MA's i linked are better per-se, rather, that you are starting from a pure, flat place and adjusting to suit you.


I really hope that that made sense.
Oh, it does. I'm just thinking of if the MAs, adjusted and broken-in, would sound better than broken-in Swans, though I can't know that without having both sets, which I won't. I will welcome an educated guess about that, though, it would help.

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Originally Posted by AzO View Post
I would go for the Klipsch. Aesthetically I would go for the M10.

Since 2.0 is an option I would go for good bookshelfs. There are a ton of bookshelf speakers out there, everyone will have their favorite as they believe it's the best. The final decision is a flip of the coin.
Aesthetics aren't a big concern as long as they aren't pink with ponies or something on them, though TBH I do like keeping a uniform color scheme around my desk (black against the wood desk); again, not having to deal with a subwoofer would also be more convenient as long as I could get quality bass out of the actual speakers. This mostly is why I'm partial to the Swans, though at this point I'm compelled to try out the Rolands.

I think the question I should ask then, and an important one, is this: would the QUALITY of bass (and mids, for that matter) differ enough from the M10s/Promedias that I should strongly favor them over the Swans/Rolands?
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post #33 of 38

I would personally like to recommend you look into something other than powered speakers.

Get something such as this Dayton 50w mini amp.

Maybe power a set of Polk Monitor 30's (to start, you can always add better bookshelfs later with a good amp such as the above). This would also allow you to EASILY add a subwoofer to the setup later if you chose to do so.


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I think the question I should ask then, and an important one, is this: would the QUALITY of bass (and mids, for that matter) differ enough from the M10s/Promedias that I should strongly favor them over the Swans/Rolands?
Bass quality is what I know best. I don't know anything at all about the M10's or most of the powered speakers that you've listed.

But the ProMedia's as a great example....
They are solid multimedia speakers. They have great low end response, decent mid range, and excellent treble. They sound "bright" so to speak. The subwoofer is directional, which you will find that happens with ANY subwoofer that is paired with such small speakers. Directional sub is bad. You shouldn't EVER know that a subwoofer is present in your system by just listening to it.

My advice:
Pick either a seperate amp + passive bookshelf setup (that has decent full frequency range down to 50Hz at least). Preferrably 5.25" or 6.5" woofers on them. The bigger, the better the low end will be. If you don't ever, EVER plan on adding a proper subwoofer later, then go ahead and find some solid active studio monitors. But if you're wanting bass response out of them, you'll want them to have somewhat larger woofers (5.25" - 6.5" at least).

Your speakers, being full range, should reach down to roughly 50-60Hz successfully. I can personally tell a directional subwoofer down to around 60Hz in the right environment. So 60Hz is a good safe point for cutoff for your subwoofer (possible to add later).

Keep in mind, you may get "flat" response out of active monitors. But that flat response is only good for the frequency range that those small drivers are capable of. Which means you WILL be losing out on pretty much all of the low end (20-80Hz roughly). Even the ProMedia's won't reach proper low end response, but they are certainly better at it than most.

Hope this helps.
Edited by pioneerisloud - 3/20/11 at 6:02pm
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post #34 of 38
Getting full range freq. with 5.25 - 6.5 drivers is impossible with a $200 budget. The easiest choice is to pick up some m-audio av40. If he wants good bass response with 2.0 it's gonna cost a pretty penny and even if there was something out there that cost $200 with those type of specs I'd be highly skeptical of it's actual performance. Just like car audio amps that label themselves as 2000W but only has 100W RMS.

The Paradigm Signature S2 bookshelf I picked up 2nd hand uses 178-mm (7 in) drivers and that cost me $1650/pair (new cost ~$2500) and can go as low as 36Hz.

The amp you recommended is good only for this type of setup. If he plans to get into anything more serious in the future the amp becomes useless.

If you check out M-Audio's website they have monitors with the said specs but will not cost <$200.
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specs on the Ma15D are:
MA-15D: Digital Stereo Micro Monitors

Rated Power Output
30 W (15 W + 15 W)
Speaker Units
Woofer
10 cm (3-15/16") (Magnetically-Shielded)
Tweeter
5 cm (2") (Magnetically-Shielded)
Frequency Range
70 Hz to 20 kHz
Nominal Input Level
Line 1
-10 dBu
Line 2
-10 dBu
Input Impedance
20 k ohms
Controls
R Channel Front
BASS Control Knob
TREBLE Control Knob
VOLUME Knob x 2
VOLUME 1 (digital input + line 1)
VOLUME 2 (RCA phono)
POWER Switch
R Channel Rear
BASS ENHANCER Switch
Digital Input Select Switch
Connectors
R Channel Front
Phones Jack (stereo 1/4" phone type)
R Channel Rear
Line 1 Jacks (L, R) (stereo mini type)
Line 2 Jacks (L, R) (RCA phono type)
L Channel Output Jack (RCA phono type)
Digital Input Section
Sampling Rate
32 kHz
44.1 kHz
48 kHz
96 kHz
192 kHz
D/A Converter
24 bits
Others
Enclosure
2-way Bass-reflex type (Wooden Cabinet)
Indicator
Power Indicator
Power Supply
AC 117 V, AC 220V, AC 230 V or AC 240 V: 50/60 Hz
Current Consumption
45 W
Accessories
Owner's Manual
Speaker Cable (RCA phono type)
Conversion cable(Stereo Mini-RCA Pin)
Power Cord
Rubber Foot x 4
Size and Weight ( Right )
Width
159 mm
6-5/16 inches
Depth
222 mm
8-3/4 inches
Height
250 mm
9-7/8 inches
Weight
5.0 kg
11 lbs. 1 oz.
Size and Weight ( Left )
Width
159 mm
6-5/16 inches
Depth
215 mm
8-1/2 inches
Height
250 mm
9-7/8 inches
Weight
2.5 kg
5 lbs. 9 oz.
0 dBu = 0.775 V rms

I use them in my studio and like them lots
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post #36 of 38
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Hmm. Just the full spec list doesn't help that much; at this point, I may still shoot for the Swans as they're tried and true and do fit all my needs (and look to drop down to 59Hz without needing a sub), whereas there really isn't as much testing available for the Rolands. I'll need to decide by Saturday, so if there's anything else that hasn't been mentioned, now's a good time.
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post #37 of 38
Sounds like the Swans, then.
Glad you at least appreciated my input.
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All right, then. If there aren't any further suggestions by midnight MDT tonight I'll go ahead with the Swans. Thanks, everyone.

Edit; and closed. I will post a thread in Off Topic showing off my birthday loot in about 2 weeks; anyone that wants to see the speakers set up, keep an eye out for it. In the meantime, I've given rep where appropriate. Thanks again.
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