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So I'm doing a little research for my first custom Loop; been reading a lot on here, and been going through the following thread...

http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...l-threads.html

I've pretty much figured out most of the basics that I want... but, I'm curious about a few CPU Blocks.

First, I someone willing to sell me a used Swiftech APOGEE XT Ultra.

Though I believe in keeping options open and, after reading a number of reviews both here and elsewhere, I am finding myself rather attracted to the EK Supreme HF... Though I am a bit confused about the various versions of this one.

The have, full copper, full nickle, copper with nickle plating, copper with gold plating, they have copper and nickle with clear acrylic, and so on...

I am looking at THIS ONE.....and I am looking at THIS ONE, which is my current preferred one, as it will go well with my current red/black case theme...

I've also been told to look at Heatkiller Blocks, though they too seem to have countless different variations..,

So...

I am curious about the difference between Blocks with Copper and Blocks with Nickle. It would seem to me that Nickle is more popular on the Water Blocks? However, my experience with Air Coolers has taught me that the more copper, the better. It often seems that in the case of Air Coolers, the ones with Nickle seldom preform as well as the ones with more copper; yet the Nickle water blocks appear to more in demand, and more costly...

Also, how does acrylic effect the block? I would think, as it would make sense, that a block that's just one solid chunk of metal and two threaded holes, would be better then a block that's half metal and half acrylic?

Or there really not that much performance difference?
Edited by cjc75 - 3/5/11 at 9:06pm
     
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Just get a rasa block it competes with th ek hf which is top dog. No temp.difference really in the hk variations you see. That is pretty much with all blocks. get accetal not.acrylic. accetal is a stronger material
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another thing: make sure that you use 1/2in tubing. its way better in terms of performance.
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Originally Posted by cjc75 View Post
I've pretty much figured out most of the basics that I want... but, I'm curious about a few CPU Blocks.

So...

I am curious about the difference between Blocks with Copper and Blocks with Nickle. It would seem to me that Nickle is more popular on the Water Blocks? However, my experience with Air Coolers has taught me that the more copper, the better. It often seems that in the case of Air Coolers, the ones with Nickle seldom preform as well as the ones with more copper; yet the Nickle water blocks appear to more in demand, and more costly...

Also, how does acrylic effect the block? I would think, as it would make sense, that a block that's just one solid chunk of metal and two threaded holes, would be better then a block that's half metal and half acrylic?

Or there really not that much performance difference?
The blocks are all copper based but they plate the outside top with those various finishes except the clear ones which are different tops all together.
People like the Nickel ones because it a very shiny and looks good in cases that is it. The metal is more durable and acrylic/accetal can crack under a perfect storm of bad conditions.
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another thing: make sure that you use 1/2in tubing. its way better in terms of performance.
err no,

if i remember correctly, difference between 3/8 and 1/2 there's really no difference, not significant enough to really say half inch has performance gains.

it all comes down to aesthetics and your personal preference
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another thing: make sure that you use 1/2in tubing. its way better in terms of performance.
um no.... someone has never watercooled a pc... the difference is nearly non existent because flow is limited by the blocks, not the tubing. OP, just pick what looks the best to you. I use 3/8id 1/2od because I have rather complex loops and need the tubing to bend rather tightly which larger diameter tubing cannot without kinking or needing anti-kink coils
 
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The difference between the 2 EK Supreme HF blocks are the revision, with the copper top being revision 2 and the red/black being 1.2, difference being the rev. 2 has the top/base mounting hardware driven in from underneath the top, and clearly, the 1.2 has the hardware topside. Internally it is the same design, but the tops themselves are not compatible if you wanted to swap em around. Performance wise... no difference.

All the blocks I have ever looked at (that are worth having) are very nearly pure copper (internal and base to die), with the other materials being aesthetic or some sort of anodized coating. Nickel is popular due to its high resistance to corrosion within the block, but it cost a little more. Performance wise, no appreciable difference.

The EK's are popular due to coming with both sets of mounting plates, and having a couple different options concerning the impingement plates, the downside is that (from my experience) the hardware is a little... lacking/strips easy/painted surfaces (if your hardware is painted) is single coat, and wears poorly if handled without extreme care.

On the plus side, they are fabricated to a high standard and require little to no fiddling with to get the most out of em. Some people have noted that the acrylic tops (in general) could develop fissures or cracks around stress points, delrin does not seem to have that trouble (which is an acetal resin, slightly more flexible).
 
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Yeah tube size doesn't matter really

If you interested look here

for more things to research from other websites
Here

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Just get a rasa block it competes with th ek hf which is top dog. No temp.difference really in the hk variations you see. That is pretty much with all blocks. get accetal not.acrylic. accetal is a stronger material
Interesting to know, cause actually it was your guides and videos that initially sold me on the EK! LOL

So I think I'll take a closer look at the Rasa, as its cheaper anyway...

As for the Acrylic, yea, I realized that as soon as I noticed that those EK's with the acrylic tops were just a marketing gimmick on Performance PC's part.

Now for Pump questions...

Anyone got any thoughts on THIS ONE?
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...l#post12628404

The price of those 355's is a bit too tempting, though I may consider adding a GPU block in the future with a second 120 Rad. Would the 655 be better in that case if I were adding such later on? Or just get the 355, as I'm probably going to go CPU only on my loop to start... then add a second 355 in the future... or would a single 355 be plenty in the future for two 120 rads with cpu+gpu?
     
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Never met a 355 without an after market topper... so be sure to build that into your build cost. Configured right, they are very potent little pumps.
 
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