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I'm excited by this. Imagine the desktop version of this. PC gaming will be much more accessible for people, thus a boom in PC gaming. It can only benefit us all in the end.

Honestly unless you're encoding, rendering, or doing any 3d work, you wouldn't care about something like this and instead would go for something that has muscle on the CPU end. That's not with these are for though.

This is also most likely the kind of chip we'll see in the next-gen consoles.
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They gave up on beating Intel at processing power, instead they're hoping to beat them at integrated graphics.

I can see that happening, but meh. This is why you buy laptops with discrete graphics cards.
exactly. Llano only seems relevant for netbooks. Why would you buy a laptop without discrete graphics? I just hope this isn't a sign of what's to come with Bulldozer.
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exactly. Llano only seems relevant for netbooks. Why would you buy a laptop without discrete graphics? I just hope this isn't a sign of what's to come with Bulldozer.
I would prefer a notebook without discrete graphics and lower power consumption. That means more battery life. I don't use my notebook for number crunching or intense gaming though.
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I'm typing on a netbook that can't even deliver 1fps in Minecraft, but gets 7 hours surfing OCN. This is a welcome for me, a tiny notebook that isn't hindered by CPU/GPU power, yet still gets good battery life. As long as it's capable of playing back 1080p without stutter, and can stay running for more then 3~ hours, it's a winner in my book, especially when it weighs just a few pounds
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exactly. Llano only seems relevant for netbooks. Why would you buy a laptop without discrete graphics? I just hope this isn't a sign of what's to come with Bulldozer.
Somehow... I think many more people buy laptops without dedicated GPUs

Also, don't worry about bulldozer. As llano is only Phenom on 32mn plus a GPU -- the only similarity to bulldozer is the AMD logo on the box.
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Holy crap it's a Vietnamese forum. I certainly didn't expect that at all.
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Somehow... I think many more people buy laptops without dedicated GPUs

Also, don't worry about bulldozer. As llano is only Phenom on 32mn plus a GPU -- the only similarity to bulldozer is the AMD logo on the box.
Many more people buy computers without dedicated GPUs, it comes down to cost, its far cheaper to buy a comp with integrated gfx than a discreet card (hence why Intel is the market leader for gfx)

What excites me about Llano is the graphics performance, suddenly we have a dece.. (no wait... GOOD) performing graphics chip in mainstream computers. Suddenly we have easy cheap & available computers that can actually perform and deliver a good gaming experience.

PC gaming isn't even near dead or dying and its about to go into a renaissance
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post #28 of 47
The gaming performance between Llano and SB doesn't look that big according to these charts. On average it is less than twice as fast SB GPU (HD3000)

Not forget that those are AMD slides. AMD could easily pick a gaming bechmark that favor their GPU in order to make the difference as big as possible against their rival
post #29 of 47
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I am starting to think that it is a waste of time to post these llano articles on OCN. Everytime people say the same things... "of course Intel's GPUs suck", "where are the encoding benchmarks", "AMD has given up on x86 performance", etc..
Intel HD3000 GPU is currently the fastest IGP on market. People who say "Intel's GPUs suck" should stop repeating this empty slogan like parrot.


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Sigh. Not everything is about us. Not everybody needs or wants the fastest CPU. You do realize that Intel's GPUs poor performance is BAD for mainstream customers, that 70% of people don't know encoding from rendering from compiling, and that CPU wise BULLDOZER will compete with Sandy Bridge.
Intel SB GPU is powerfull enough to play any web/flash games, mini-games and it can even handle games such as Call of Duty (on low settings)

Many laptops users don't use laptops for gaming. Moreover, if you use your laptop for light games (casual games, flash games), SB GPU is more than what you need

Sure llano is going to have faster GPU when it comes out , but how many laptop users need this extra GPU power ? Also, according to the slides, the difference is not as big as we expected. I'm very disappointed by these results. I expected the difference to be be like 3 to 4 times as fast as Intel GPU
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The one thing that jumped up at me was the Civilisation V benchmark. They were getting 14.5 FPS at 1366x768, all high etc etc...

Doesn't Sabine basically come with a 5650?

My laptop will play Civ V at about 20 FPS at a higher resolution with similar settings running an Nvidia 8600M. Now I know the 5650 isn't a great GPU either, but the differences shouldn't be that great right?

My understanding is that Civ V is very CPU limited, and despite them trying to make it GPU limited, it's slightly scary that my 2.4 Ghz C2D ourperforms it?

Or am I seeing this wrongly? Would a 5650 actually limit the performance there, so we're just seeing integrated graphics failing?


Either way - my main interest in the Fusion APUs is for gaming on a laptop (or similar), and so they look pretty nice, but I'm probably not going to be replacing my laptop for quite some time yet.
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