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Maybe someone told MSI to put its money where its marketing mouth is at, because that's exactly what the hardware maker did. If you're at all familiar with MSI's graphics cards and motherboards, then you've undoubtedly seen MSI pimping supposed "Military Class" components, like highly-conductive polymerized capacitors (Hi-c CAP), Super Ferrite Choke (SFC), and other fancy terms. But is MSI blowing a bunch of hot air?
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I take it this certification doesnt stop their mobos from exploding?
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Doesn't matter if you use good components, if you can't design the PCB right. Or choose the right components for the job.

MSI has a lot of catch up to do to really get a consideration in my book. More so on the AMD side when their best efforts are easily trounced in each price category.

Customer Service for them is still one of the worst I've had to deal with.
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Often times a mil-spec components is actually lower quality than the non-specced component, but is significantly more expensive because of the validation process.
     
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Doesn't matter if you use good components, if you can't design the PCB right. Or choose the right components for the job.

MSI has a lot of catch up to do to really get a consideration in my book. More so on the AMD side when their best efforts are easily trounced in each price category.

Customer Service for them is still one of the worst I've had to deal with.
1. all of the boards they have released (and plan to realse) in 2011/really late 2010, are 8+2 with fairly high quality VRMs....they finnaly got the message, only took them a few years

2.CS was pretty good to me. Unquestionably replaced everything i have ever RMAd
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1. all of the boards they have released (and plan to realse) in 2011/really late 2010, are 8+2 with fairly high quality VRMs....they finnaly got the message, only took them a few years
A phase is a channel.

If you do not understand that, then stop right now.

They claim they are good components, but I'll wait to see that with my own eyes. The number of phases means absolutely nothing. Biostar does more with 4+2 Phase power deliver than MSI does with 8+2 Phase.
That's a fact right there.

The reason is they use appropriately spec'd MOSFET's for their VRMs, and they also implement a solid cooling solution on them, while using low RDS(on) Models as well.

This is a much bigger thing than just the right number of phases or the right types of VRMs. MSI's problems with board design go much deeper than that.

It's the circuits, the components, and the hierarchy of it all.
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A phase is a channel.

If you do not understand that, then stop right now.

They claim they are good components, but I'll wait to see that with my own eyes. The number of phases means absolutely nothing. Biostar does more with 4+2 Phase power deliver than MSI does with 8+2 Phase.
That's a fact right there.

The reason is they use appropriately spec'd MOSFET's for their VRMs, and they also implement a solid cooling solution on them, while using low RDS(on) Models as well.

This is a much bigger thing than just the right number of phases or the right types of VRMs. MSI's problems with board design go much deeper than that.

It's the circuits, the components, and the hierarchy of it all.
... if you want to get technical, fine

Their new boards are 4+1 channel (unproven as of yet, but likely), but with 8+2 phases.... and they are of much higher quality than their older boards (e.x, 890FXA-GD70).......

I understand how VRMs work, just because I am not an editor does not make me clueless.

For reference, the boards i am referring to: 870 Fuzion Power Edition, 890FXA-GD65, and Big Bang conquerer

And we have yet to prove if the Big bang/870FPE/GD65 will OC better (than the FXE) because no one has taken them under LN2 or anything yet AFAIK
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Their new boards are 4+1 channel (unproven as of yet, but likely), but with 8+2 phases.... and they are of much higher quality than their older boards (e.x, 890FXA-GD70).......
Technically it's a (4+1) + (4+1) design. That basically means it utilizes two controllers to drive two different circuits. (Which all boards do this, as they're all based on a (4+1) + X design)

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For reference, the boards i am referring to: 870 Fuzion Power Edition, 890FXA-GD65, and Big Bang conquerer
870FPE & 890FXA-GD65 both burn when overclocking a Phenom II x6 too hard because of MSI's shoddy component choice or because of their inability to design a circuit.

EDIT: I have a 870 Fusion Power Edition. With DICE. Purchased with my own money.
Before I could get past 4.4Ghz / 1.4v CPU / 1.3v CPU-NB it caught fire.
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Technically it's a (4+1) + (4+1) design. That basically means it utilizes two controllers to drive two different circuits. (Which all boards do this, as they're all based on a (4+1) + X design)



870FPE & 890FXA-GD65 both burn when overclocking a Phenom II x6 too hard because of MSI's shoddy component choice or because of their inability to design a circuit.

EDIT: I have a 870 Fusion Power Edition. With DICE. Purchased with my own money.
Before I could get past 4.4Ghz / 1.4v CPU / 1.3v CPU-NB it caught fire.
still, their newer (4+1)*2 (which also uses better chokes and mosfets) is exponentially better than their older 4+1 designs


I have yet to see 870FPE and GD65s burn, and reviews show them to have fairly robust power delivery systesms.Got any links, I'd be interested, as I would have to adjust the AM3 power phasing spreadsheet

EDIT: damn ninja edit there: really? this is news to me, got any pics?
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still, their newer (4+1)*2 (which also uses better chokes and mosfets) is exponentially better than their older 4+1 designs
It is better than the older designs cause it can hold an x4 better now.

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I have yet to see 870FPE and GD65s burn, and reviews show them to have fairly robust power delivery systesms.Got any links, I'd be interested, as I would have to adjust the AM3 power phasing spreadsheet
OCN had a burned GD65 not to long ago. I'll have to dig it up.

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EDIT: damn ninja edit there: really? this is news to me, got any pics?
Not yet, been away all weekend and I did it Friday.

Least to say, I was rather angry so I packed it up, turned off the lights, and called it a day after I got the fire put out. It wasn't huge, looks like one of the top most MOSFETs that burned.

I will say that the inclusion of the PCIe 6pin connector for the supplementary PCIe power is nice though.

Right now though, AsRock's 880G Extreme 3 and the Gigabyte 870A-UD3 (with a Enzotech MST-81) are much better values (Depending on which is cheaper.)
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