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Here's a simple statistic of boot times and memory consumption of Win7 and Ubuntu on my Eee.

Test machine:
EeePC 1005HA
Intel Atom N270 @ 1.6Ghz
1GB DDR2 @266, CL4
WD ScorpioBlue 5400RPM

OS:
Windows 7 Pro/IE9
2 months old instalation
all drivers, no AV, aero enabled
lots of side programs
(office, windows live, sql, etc.)

Ubuntu 10.10/Firefox
clean install

Boot times are measured from OS selection menu to open Facebook.

Win7
boot time: 1m 01s average
RAM usage: 780Mb initially, drops to 560Mb in 2 minutes

Ubuntu
boot time: 1m 00s average
RAM usage: 180Mb


Feel free to comment =)
I'd test both as clean installs, but didn't want to reinstall Win for nothing, lots of important setups there.
My feeling is that a clean Win would boot faster than the Ubuntu, and would use no more than 2x RAM. The high usage here is mainly due to prefetch, sql service and so on, I believe.
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post #2 of 28
it's about the same with my eeepc 900,
but i don't think the boot time is interesting...what matters to me is if it's without slow-downs, and works nice.
i've had Ubuntu 10.10 and Win7 Ultimate on dual boot for a while now, but i must admit that Windows 7 works a bit better on the 900
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I own a newer EEEpc and I've tried countless distros on it. Unfortunately, I can't vouch for linux on this machine. I've tried Mint, Ubuntu, Lubuntu (light Ubuntu). I don't know what it is, possibly the Gnome desktop, but I experience quite a bit of usage lag inside the Linux distros. Perhaps the sleek desktop environments are just too much for the GPU in the EEEpc. I've also tried Jolicloud and Meego, same issues.

I've found that XP is the best OS for netbooks in general, although 7 does run very well also.
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Originally Posted by Retrospekt View Post
I own a newer EEEpc and I've tried countless distros on it. Unfortunately, I can't vouch for linux on this machine. I've tried Mint, Ubuntu, Lubuntu (light Ubuntu). I don't know what it is, possibly the Gnome desktop, but I experience quite a bit of usage lag inside the Linux distros. Perhaps the sleek desktop environments are just too much for the GPU in the EEEpc. I've also tried Jolicloud and Meego, same issues.

I've found that XP is the best OS for netbooks in general, although 7 does run very well also.
Actually on my particular netbook, 7 runs faster than XP..
I feel the same lags in ubuntu, though. Even with aero enabled, 7 feels a bit more responsive.
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Actually on my particular netbook, 7 runs faster than XP..
I feel the same lags in ubuntu, though. Even with aero enabled, 7 feels a bit more responsive.
You may be correct. My EEE has the stock 1gb of ram and I chose XP mostly due to bias. I guess I just like it. I just know that 7 tends to use a slightly more amount of memory and I didn't want my flash videos or playback to be affected.

The point is, Windows seems to run better on netbooks than the "main" linux distros, probably due to the pretty desktop environments in those distros. I should try installing Mint again but replacing Gnome with something a bit lighter.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Retrospekt View Post
You may be correct. My EEE has the stock 1gb of ram and I chose XP mostly due to bias. I guess I just like it. I just know that 7 tends to use a slightly more amount of memory and I didn't want my flash videos or playback to be affected.

The point is, Windows seems to run better on netbooks than the "main" linux distros, probably due to the pretty desktop environments in those distros. I should try installing Mint again but replacing Gnome with something a bit lighter.
i've tried Enlightment a while ago, worked pretty fast
maybe you should try that one, works good, and looks nice
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You'll never get less ram use in Windows when compared to Linux. I'm betting the problem isn't the graphics but the background services. All those "main" distros have a lot of background services that run, automation to make things more "user friendly". I would recommend a more simple distro or something built off a desktop like XFCE. Your not going to change anything going to Mint with Gnome, in fact you probably won't change anything based off Mint/Ubuntu. It might take less to get things working, you'll always have that lag with them though.

[edit] lol I just thought of the distros to use. I'd use Arch or pure Debian, those would be the easiest to set up with the least amount of automated services. You could turn off services, but I don't know what ones to turn off unless you are in debian.
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I think ubuntu 10.10 is a little on the slow side compared to some other distro boot times.
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I've decided to have a little fun with this, and expand a bit on the OP's original test. I will be using my signature rig for this test, here are the specs, as not all of them are there or even current:

Xeon x3440 @ 3.0 GHz
4 Gigabytes of ram
WD 250 Gigabyte 7200 rpm boot drive (sata II)
2 WD 750 Gigabyte HD (storage, 5400 rpm "Green Drives". I included these two, as windows only mounts 1 of these drives as it is a shared "ntfs" drive, the other one is ext4.)
Nvidia 8800 GT

Boot Drive Partition Setup Order and Size:
100 MB NTFS (the reserve that win7 creates.)
130 GB NFTS windows partition
1 GB Linux swap partition
100 GB Extended Partition:
500 MB /boot ext2
20 GB / ext4
78 GB /home ext 4
10 MB unallocated (a friend tells me it is the "cache", but it has always been there.)

Storage Drives:
698 GB ext4
698 GB NTFS

I could be wrong, everything I've read, the drive can be considered "short stroked" as the windows partition is on the outer edge of the platter, where the r/w is the fastest. if i am incorrect, then let me know, i hate to be ignorant about something.

I will be honest here, i will try to be as "unbiased" as i can, but i do prefer Linux over windows. My Linux installation (Ubuntu 10.10), is heavily used compared to my windows, and used in different ways, so i didn't try to "balance" out, since the OP didn't bother with it.

The Installations:

windows 7 sp1:
Install date: 11/15/10 (I know this cause my Internet went down, and the comcast techs always complain about using Linux, so i installed that morning b4.)

Ubuntu 10.10 (upgraded continuously from 9.04)
Install Date: April 2009 (don't know the exact date, the installation is this old, I keep an active backup, I redid my partition layout when i installed 7 in November of last year, so if you want, the partitions schema is newer, but the files are that old.)

Additional Startup services and programs (not installed by default):

Windows 7 sp1:
Microsoft Security Essentials
Apache 2(since i don't use windows as a development platform, not all the modules are loaded that i loaded in ubuntu)
Mysql 5.? (not sure of the exact version.)
Windows Side Bar
Core Temp Widget
Imp's Drive Info Widget
All CPU Meter Widget
Banshee Screamer Alarm
+ all standard services installed for windows
(note: there are 6 windows default services i have disabled.)

Ubuntu 10.10 (w KDE 4.6):
TeamSpeak3 Server
Ventrillo Server
Samba Server
Apache 2
Mysql 5.3 (not a 100% sure on this.)
Mongodb
Lm-sensors+modules
Conky
Alarms
Drive Decryption (not sure what to call it.)
3 Folder View Desktop widgets
+ all standard services installed by Ubuntu

Testing Method:
in all test, i used a stop watch app on my android phone, to "time" from making selection at grub menu, to "usable" desktop.

Usable Desktop:
all widgets loaded and showing information
all desktop icons and task-bar icons displaying (not the white dog eared paper icon windows displays as it is loading)
Internet connection established by indication of network icon in system tray
System Tray loaded
Context menu instantly response (right click)
Chrome(ium) icon clicked and home page loaded successfully. (note chrome nor chromium are using any add-ons)

about the method: some might disagree or argue with my definition of a usable desktop, but I've never considered a computer ready till all startup services and applications are loaded. I've also done one more test, I've timed how long it takes to shutdown and return to grub selection. Each test was done 6 times, with averages, I've given myself a 10 second margin of error, as i have to manually login into Ubuntu (due to /home and the other ext4 hard drive being encrypted.) vs windows auto login, and just in case there was any delayed reaction to clicking on chrome(ium) icon to start up. (BTW, chrome and chromium are of the same version and build, i just prefer chromium in Ubuntu over Google chrome, more or less same browser, i could repeat the test with Google chrome in Ubuntu, but i feel it will yield the same results, also want to note, both icons are on the task-bar)


The Results:

Windows 7 sp1 Boot From Grub to usable: 2 minutes, 45 seconds
Memory Used: 1.7 GB (confirmed with task manager, Core temp widget and All CPU meter widget.)
Total Running Processes (including browser): 65
Restart and back to grub menu: 52s

Ubuntu 10.10 (w/ KDE 4.6) Boot From Grub to usable: 1 minutes, 25 seconds
Memory Used: 850 MB (confirmed with top, conky and system monitor)
Total Running Processes: 270
Restart and back to grub menu: 20s

The Conclusion:

I think the age of a install plays a big roll in its boot up and shutdown times. i remember doing a test similar to this on fresh installs of both (different hard drive), and they were much closer in boot up times, around 45s for both. it is interesting to see 2 used installation of both OS's and how they perform over time.

I'm not even going to try to hide this bias in heavy words, or trying to "justify" it. even with tons more running services, more additional start up items (as i haven't disabled any of the original Ubuntu services), and i am also using one of the more demanding DE's Linux has to offer and considering the Linux installation is a year and a half older, my boot up and shutdown time is significantly lower as is the memory imprint. even windows having the advantage of being on the outer edge of the platter, not loading as many services or additional start up items, only mounting one additional hard drive, its degradation over time due to use, it can't really compete.

Now I often find "boot up" time test to be a waste of time. As everyone's definition of the complete boot process is different. Both OS's also handle boot process differently, which make it harder to determine the exact times. Perfect example is why I included "network connection being established" in my time to usable, as in Ubuntu the connection is made and established before the desktop is loaded, in windows, its done as the desktop is being loaded.

So take what you want from this comparison from my end, as I leave plenty open to actual debate, as my testing method is a bit biased, but we are also talking about times in minutes, not hours or days, or real significant time spans, as most either don't reboot very often, or turn on their computers and do something else as it is booting up.

the only time I'm concerned with boot time, is when I'm Over clocking, as that extra minute or so, is annoying when you are constantly rebooting or when you want to do something, and you have automatic updates installed and it wants to restart on you...
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I've decided to have a little fun with this, and expand a bit on the OP's original test.
Great! Thank you, very interesting results.

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Edited by ronnin426850 - 3/7/11 at 11:02pm
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Windows 7 Pro x64 Toshiba 32" FullHD TV Logitech FSP Hexa 550 
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Core i5 4460 AsRock H81M-DG4 Sapphire Rx470 Platinum KVR 1600 16Gb 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
2x Seagate 3Tb Samsung 850 EVO 120 Scythe Ninja 3 Rev.B Windows 10 Pro 
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Fujitsu Siemens A17-2A Logitech K280e SuperFlower SF-550K12XP Thermaltake Versa H25 
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Logitech G402 Sony MDR XD150 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 750K 4.0Ghz AsRock FM2A75 Pro4+ Sapphire R9 270X Dual-X Kingston 2x4Gb 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 EVO 120  Western Digital 320Gb LiteON DVD-RW CoolerMaster Hyper Z600 
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