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I wonder what they'll do about false-positives?
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At least my Game Gear will keep up trucking in case that happens..
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Why not? don't you watch automotive modifying programs? people like a challenge! beside all engineering work needs to certified before it goes back on the road anyway... terrible analogy right there!
You actually proved my point. You cant modify the car and just drive it. It is illegal. You ahve to have approval by the local goverment.

In regards to in which country you need approval for painting a car, i believe it is in most of Europe and depending on the state you are in US (google it tons of info). Your car deed says for example Black BMW registration number XYZ. If the car in question is now a White BMW XYZ then you need to file for the change so that it is changed in the records. You even have to notify your insurance company or it won't be covered!

You are allowed to do it. You just need permission or you need to notify of the change. All those car modifying shows you think they don't pass the cars modified through tests like M.O.T before they can be driven on the road? Ofcourse they do. Fact: You need a permission to change the engine of the car, especially if its of a higher horse power so that all safety regulations are met. (the police actually confiscape modded cars if they aren't registered as modded cars and they find it out)

In this case you change the OS. Nintendo says NO. Therefore you can't. Its simple.

But again its not as simple as comparing a car to a electronic good. Even when comparing different electronic goods you have differences.

You can buy an HP laptop with windows 7 and then install ubuntu. HP doesn't care. Nor does microsoft for that fact. They made their sale. Now if you go and pirate windows 7 then you get a system lockdown. Its the same thing as bricking the 3DS.

Microsoft says you pirated the OS, therefore you get the constant spamming about activating it and even have regular shut downs unless you fix it.

Too much freedom is as bad as no freedom at all. Buy the products for what they are intended for.
Edited by Firann - 3/7/11 at 5:28pm
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Actually, this is something manufacturers attempted to claim at one time, but was found to be an illegal practice. Ford could entirely claim that the aftermarket air filter lead directly to the transmission falling off of the car - but no court would ever allow for this kind of monopolistic practice.

Sure, you could put on high efficiency air filters, and other mods, and with the souped up car, you could rob a bank, which means that all aftermarket air filters lead to POTENTIAL illegal activities. The comparison is exact.
Putting airfilters on is like modifying the firmware of your DS which can lead to piracy, and the airfilters lead to something like piracy. OK sure buddy. Say it once, say it ten times over it seems.

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The problem is that if Nintendo bricks your entire system, but the system is only say, 5% piracy and 95% not-pirated - they are the ones that are robbing you over that part that is legitimate. It is nothing more than a virus.
Failure to read the thread. Brilliant.

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Air filters are covered under patent and trademark laws - so Ford could create some kind of air filter that has some kind of protection, meaning that aftermarket air filters would be infringing on their intellectual property, and can claim damages. It's no different in this case, because no matter what you do, no company has the right to erase data that is lawfully yours - even though they may have a right to erase that which is pirated. But their scheme better be very, very solid, because even if one bug arises, that company will be dispensing malware and subject to prosecution under the law.
False. Microsoft deletes or "locks" the hard drive with the data of people who got caught pirating games or using JTAGs. They've been doing it for years. Even if the content is not pirated, you loose it. All. Obviously there are modder workarounds, but that's besides the point being made. Someone is not read up here.

How you even came up with "dispensing malware" and stuff I have no idea. Simplified terms - if I build a self destruct system in my software, and I execute it remotely, that's not dispensing malware.

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Ford does give a flip, because their service centers are loosing the business, and so does Motorcraft. But since such practice is illegal - they participate in capitalism by marketing their product and being competitive to attract customers.
Exactly - such practice is illegal. It's not even remotely the same. It's a completely different ballgame again x 3 here.
Ford looses business in their service centers because 3rd party service centers are being used to replace those airfilters.
Nintendo looses business because their games are being STOLEN/COPIED/PIRATED by people online. There is not a single relation in that sentence other than "looses business". The circumstances are ridiculously different here.

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And it is not that you "loose warranty" - they want to brick your system and remove functionality that you had paid for.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
They removed functionality that you paid to use properly and not illegally.

And - if you actually read what I was saying - I said loose warranty if you were to change, say, the LEDs in your DS. Like changing the lights in your car to something aftermarket. That's way more realistic of a comparison than piracy. I change anything in my car to aftermarket - Im not stealing jack. I'm, depending on what specific part we're talking here, making legal modifications that are perfectly fair use. Assuming I'm not putting something in my car that isn't illegal to begin with.

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In this case you change the OS. Nintendo says NO. Therefore you can't. Its simple.
No. It's not even remotely close in comparison.
The local government and police are NOT Ford or GM or whoever you want to choose to discuss. You're not clearing it with Ford or GM. You're clearing it with safety regulations of the law.
You modifying the protected OS that you're not allowed to change from the start by Nintendo themselves is a completely different situation all together.
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 3/7/11 at 8:50pm
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both homebrew and a pirated game would lack the proper certifications. using either would brick the device. also, I bought (not licensed!) a piece of hardware. it is now my property. if I install linux and nintendo bricks the thing, then they are destroying private property. that is not legal in america.
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both homebrew and a pirated game would lack the proper certifications. using either would brick the device. also, I bought (not licensed!) a piece of hardware. it is now my property. if I install linux and nintendo bricks the thing, then they are destroying private property. that is not legal in america.
Whether you like it or not, you'd be so shocked at how dead wrong that is.

Example:
You buy a DVD, you're not allowed to do with what you want with it. You technically DO NOT OWN the movie and the software included with the movie by law.
Ok, you decide it's your disc anyway. You want to use the movie on your computer, but just not with the disc anymore. You copy the disc onto your computer as an ISO. An exact copy ISO. That by law is ok. You learn that nothing wants to play that ISO correctly without paying hundreds of dollars for software. You decide to strip the DRM from that disc so it plays properly with programs you normally use. You are then breaking the law therefore it is NOT your property. The contents of said disc you do not own in ANYWAY shape or form. People have been sued out the butts for this.

I disagree entirely with it. It's horrible. But that's the truth with ALOT of stuff you wouldn't think is. Something like making the DVD that I bought work on my computer would be technically fair use no? Wrong. Dead wrong. It isn't your property by law.

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both homebrew and a pirated game would lack the proper certifications. using either would brick the device.
you know this how?
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 3/7/11 at 9:01pm
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just install a custom firmware. If available
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Console = FAIL.

PC = WIN.

I can modify my PC to my hearts content and no-one can do anything about it.
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Whether you like it or not, you'd be so shocked at how dead wrong that is.

Example:
You buy a DVD, you're not allowed to do with what you want with it. You technically DO NOT OWN the movie and the software included with the movie by law.
Ok, you decide it's your disc anyway. You want to use the movie on your computer, but just not with the disc anymore. You copy the disc onto your computer as an ISO. An exact copy ISO. That by law is ok. You learn that nothing wants to play that ISO correctly without paying hundreds of dollars for software. You decide to strip the DRM from that disc so it plays properly with programs you normally use. You are then breaking the law therefore it is NOT your property. The contents of said disc you do not own in ANYWAY shape or form. People have been sued out the butts for this.

I disagree entirely with it. It's horrible. But that's the truth with ALOT of stuff you wouldn't think is. Something like making the DVD that I bought work on my computer would be technically fair use no? Wrong. Dead wrong. It isn't your property by law.



you know this how?
you are licencing the movie. its the same with games. you have an END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT, or EULA. its pretty much a rental for an unspecified very long period of time. With a 3ds however, there is no licence agreement. there is for the software, but not the hardware. I can't use the software the wrong way, but I can do whatever I please with the hardware. that makes the hardware MINE. which by extension means I can use any software (like say linux) if I want to. destroying MY hardware for using non-copywrited software is illegal.
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Originally Posted by Arctucas View Post
Console = FAIL.

PC = WIN.

I can modify my PC to my hearts content and no-one can do anything about it.
True, but only within the limits of the law.
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