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I disagree with this statement because it costs the company money to develop the game, therefore they lose product in the end. Weeks, months and even years of work stolen from you and there's nothing you can do. Video games are not freeware or an open source product.

If you're in a programming class and you steal someone else's code and use it for your own assignment, though you didn't take anything physical, it's still stealing.

I'm not saying I've never done it before, but I agree with the other developers on this one. It wouldn't be cool to have all your hard work stolen from you.
What you dont get is that part of stealing something Physical. Lets say you steal a iPAd 2. You are stealing something that costs them $100 + they also spend time to make it like R&D.
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Why hurt the games you love? These people work their butts off to deliver a fun experience to you. However if you don't actually care about morality then it's fairly hard to argue against it. I guess the only other reason you wouldn't want to in that case is threat of being sued? or having a swat team bang down your door like that poor Swedish kid.
I was just sarcastically commenting on the selective 'morality' of some people that are posting here. I find it funny that they rally against piracy of games and music, but at the same time are guilty of piracy on some level themselves.
    
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People are cheap bastards and selfish. What else is new? Many people have a sense of entitlement that makes them think they deserve the world to be served to them on a silver platter. They don't care about developers. They want free stuff. And they will probably complain about the game even after they get it for free...
    
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People are cheap bastards and selfish. What else is new? Many people have a sense of entitlement that makes them think they deserve the world to be served to them on a silver platter. They don't care about developers. They want free stuff. And they will probably complain about the game even after they get it for free...
Damn straight.

I will buy games from devs that make good games and ignore the other crap. But the lack of renting makes it where I often wait at least a year so the price of a game is far less because after my experience with Gears of War I don't ever want to feel that way again. If I hadn't gotten an exchange on that game I would have given up on PC gaming. I spent a whole day cleaning my HDD of that game's evil.
     
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Microsoft benefited from piracy. Otherwise, Linux would have larger market share. M$ does not want that to happen.

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Wait-A-Minute are you guys trying to tell me that you pay for games/software?

Whoever said that people in general are cheap hit the nail on the head, if developers such as Adobe would stop trying to sell their products at huge markup margins then maybe people would stop pirating them.

Adobe CS5 = $1899.00US
AutoDesk AutoCAD 2011 = $4,425.00US
Windows 7 = $199US - $319.99US

I highly doubt the average Joe one man show can afford those kinds of costs for home use. It definitely doesn't cost AutoDesk $4,425.00 to develop a single copy of AutoCAD that is for sure.

Bluray DVDs - $65 (average)
Reg DVDs - $40 (average)

More reasonable pricing but still marked up beyond belief. Funny how a $0.50 DVD can suddenly become $40 once data is placed on it.

Music CD's - $25 (average) I don't pay for music, but if I like an artist I support him/her/them by going to their concert, most artists make their living touring, not distributing out CD after CD.

Fine its stealing, moral, blah blah blah, but really our society would not be where it is if someone hadn't "borrowed" someone else's idea... I'm against pirating for monetary gain but sharing with others no problem.
Edited by ajmidd12 - 3/8/11 at 12:23pm
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Wait-A-Minute are you guys trying to tell me that you pay for games/software?

Whoever said that people in general are cheap hit the nail on the head, if developers such as Adobe would stop trying to sell their products at huge markup margins then maybe people would stop pirating them.

Adobe CS5 = $1899.00US
AutoDesk AutoCAD 2011 = $4,425.00US
Windows 7 = $199US - $319.99US

I highly doubt the average Joe one man show can afford those kinds of costs for home use. It definitely doesn't cost AutoDesk $4,425.00 to develop a single copy of AutoCAD that is for sure.

Bluray DVDs - $65 (average)
Reg DVDs - $40 (average)

More reasonable pricing but still marked up beyond belief. Funny how a $0.50 DVD can suddenly become $40 once data is placed on it.

Music CD's - $25 (average) I don't pay for music, but if I like an artist I support him/her/them by going to their concert, most artists make their living touring, not distributing out CD after CD.

Fine its stealing, moral, blah blah blah, but really our society would not be where it is if someone hadn't "borrowed" someone else's idea... I'm against pirating for monetary gain but sharing with others no problem.
You're prices for software may be somewhat accurate; but what currency are you using for the Movies and Music prices?

I haven't spent more than $25USD on a Bluray and that includes brand new ones. The last CD I bought was 10USD.

I agree entirely with the artist making more from touring so long as they're not the actual distributer of their CD/audio tracks because then they make more that way. The really sad thing is that many artist don't actually own their own music. It's a split between them and the label.

For gaming; support the devs of games that are good and work against the spread of those that aren't or feed off of the masses (ie COD).

I feel like there comes a point in which the the bottom line based approach fails because then you spend too much time worried about keeping it above the red forever and that means you will not take chances. That's the problem. Not enough people wanting to take chances.
     
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People who engage in the receiving end of piracy participate in, opportunistic thievery.
It's not because some people who engage in this, can't pay for it or disagree with the price that they would decide to be on the receiving end of piracy. It's because the opportunity is there with minimal or hidden risks.

If a stranger offered you a physical copy of a game still in it's unopened package FOR FREE or for an unrealistic deal. Would you take it, even knowing that this is likely a hot item? You didn't directly steal it yourself right? If you get caught with it, you'll be charged with possession of stolen property.

How is piracy or participating on the receiving end not related to theft?
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Then i guess i could download his game full version for free from a torrent site?
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