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Not in any real hurry, no - I figure I'd be making a move on buying parts in about a month, maybe a little longer if there was something worth waiting for.

I guess I should have expanded here. smile.gif I'm sticking with boards that have eSATA, I've got my old workhorse WD 640gb AAKS in an external enclosure that I'll be using to supplement the internal storage.

Well, I think you'll find plenty of speed in a i3, but apparently newegg has SB mobos up there already.


And the two processors (if you want to stick with an i3)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078


Sadly there aren't any mITX SB motherboards that have ESATA apparently. Sorry about that.
Edited by justarealguy - 3/7/11 at 6:02pm
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Here's another nice, long, in-depth article by AnandTech on Sandy Bridge. You're looking at noticeably higher performance levels compared to the first gen Core i-series CPU's. The i5 has been a great balance of performance and cost, especially for the relatively wide use you'll be throwing at it.

"Reasonable budget" is a little vague, it's generally much easier to fit the best parts in a set budget. As far as gaming performance goes, the IGP is still nowhere near powerful enough to respectably play newer games. It'll get you by for LoL, and the like, along with some relatively new games at modest settings; here's another Anandtech article on the HD 3000 IGP, with benchmarks.

As you said, you probably won't be able to get a conventional graphics card in an mITX case, so you'll have to make a compromise on future gaming performance or getting even a mATX case and board.
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Here's another nice, long, in-depth article by AnandTech on Sandy Bridge. You're looking at noticeably higher performance levels compared to the first gen Core i-series CPU's. The i5 has been a great balance of performance and cost, especially for the relatively wide use you'll be throwing at it.

"Reasonable budget" is a little vague, it's generally much easier to fit the best parts in a set budget. As far as gaming performance goes, the IGP is still nowhere near powerful enough to respectably play newer games. It'll get you by for LoL, and the like, along with some relatively new games at modest settings; here's another Anandtech article on the HD 3000 IGP, with benchmarks.

As you said, you probably won't be able to get a conventional graphics card in an mITX case, so you'll have to make a compromise on future gaming performance or getting even a mATX case and board.
Thanks for the links!

Indeed, falling back into old habbits. I'm shooting to have the desktop come in sub-$500, for now assuming that uses IGP but includes at least the option for a single-slot GPU down the road. I suppose I'm willing to drop the requirement of eSATA, if I would be able to get that 3.5" drive into the case along with the SSD and still have manageable airflow. I'll need to do some more reading to see how well that will work.
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Since you've some time before the purchases, maybe more SB parts will come into market before you make the purchase. If not, you obviously have plenty of options in the "last gen" market, which may see price drops. You can easily fit a solid rig into $500 without a graphics card. The rest of the parts are cake.

Could you work with an mATX case? You're much more likely to find mATX boards being released, along with it sating all of your other space, cooling, and functionality needs.
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Since you've some time before the purchases, maybe more SB parts will come into market before you make the purchase. If not, you obviously have plenty of options in the "last gen" market, which may see price drops. You can easily fit a solid rig into $500 without a graphics card. The rest of the parts are cake.

Could you work with an mATX case? You're much more likely to find mATX boards being released, along with it sating all of your other space, cooling, and functionality needs.
Indeed - mATX is certainly an option on the table, but, I'd tentatively been planning to tuck the rig on my desk behind my monitor - floor space is at a huge premium. I'm not sure of too many mATX cases that will allow for that easily. I think in the end run, I'm not going to want to sacrifice much on size. I guess now I get to keep reading/waiting to see what comes down the pike in the next month or so.

I've seen a few designs that incorporate a monitor stand into the desktop form factor, which would certainly be cool if it turns out the case itself does not suck. A desktop form factor is something I'm looking at, too, but the range of offerings there seems to be split between cheap junk and high-end HTPC things.
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So, I've revised the plan a little bit. I couldn't find a mITX case that would let me get the storage capacity I wanted, and then I rationalized that I don't want to screw with half-height expansion cards, either. The solution? Give up a few inches of space and go with a still-tiny mATX build. That will have greater availability of products to choose from, especially Sandy Bridge mobos, and should be about the same cost wise. Here is what I'm tentatively looking at now, for which the total will still come in under $500 shipped:

Case: InWin BK644.BN300TBL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811108191

Motherboard: MSI H67MA-E35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130569

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1ghz Sandy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115078

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw F3 2x2gb DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231275

Program SSD: OCZ Vertex 2 60gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227550

Storage HDD: Western Digital Caviar 640gb AAKS (already own)

I had taken a long and hard look at the InWin Dragon Slayer, and I think it would be, well, a pretty badass case - I just don't know about the size. I don't want to stray from the point of this build being as small as it is powerful. The Dragon Slayer is only marginally smaller than the CM Centurion 5 that my C2D Allendale build sits in, which I'd say is way too large for what I need now.
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I can't see anything wrong unless you need more ram for your VMs. 4GB is a solid amount, provided you're not doing anything too heavy.

That PSU that comes with the case looks surprisingly decent, should be enough to power even a 3850 if it's actually a solid Seasonic Unit and there haven't been revisions to the SFX12V platform.
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i'd prob suggest bump up to 8GB for the VM's
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i'd prob suggest bump up to 8GB for the VM's
Well, it depends on what he does. Simply running an extra copy of Win7 to sandbox an application will be fine on 4GB; but if he's actually running some serious stuff I'd agree.
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Mostly CLI-only *nix web server clones - nothing heavy duty, the largest of them has 1gb of RAM allocated. Since I've not had any issues with those scenarios running with 4gb on my laptop, I don't expect I'll have any issues in the future. Sure, 8gb would be nice, but I've gotta leave something to upgrade later, right? I'm glad to see an affirmation on the PSU; info seems scarce there.
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