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For AM3 CPUs on AM3 boards you should be able to OC the CPU-NB to 2800-3000mhz. For AM3 Cpus in an AM2+ you should be able to hit 2600mhz. My AM2+ CPU on my AM2+ board will go up to 2600mhz. Anything else and I have to reset the bios because computer will not boot. If I were you I would settle for the 2600mhz and when the AM3+ boards come out I would grab one of them. Right now is not a good time to upgrade your motherboard.
Edited by AMD2600 - 3/8/11 at 9:49am
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Oh yeah. Still running DDR2 RAM too. I am running this machine for another year or two, it will probably get a graphics upgrade next year, and then the whole works will probably get rebuilt in another year, so I don't intend to upgrade for awhile. This machine should game plenty fine and I still have room to upgrade from my 2x GTS 250 and maybe up my RAM to 8GB.

Not bothering with the mobo and all the rest until much much later, hence my desire to overclock, heh.
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Hey there. Just wanted to thank everyone for all their help. In summation any combination of things I could do could not get the NB above 2200 without it being unstable or simply refusing to post at boot. There's no HT multiplier setting either to make matters worse. there is a K8<>HT setting in the chipset menu. But even if I bump that to say, 2.4 Ghz CPUZ responds with HT still being at 10x CPU Bus speed.

In fact the only way this board runs all tests in Prime 95 stable is if I use the AI overclock. Anything above and beyond the AI overclock causes stability issues.

So I am sitting at 10% across the board overclock with an okay temp and stable numbers. Perhaps next time if I have a better board I can try to get real numbers.

I learned a lot and thanks again.

BTW the latest BIOS causes AMD Cool and Quiet to turn on and STAY ON regardless of what you tell the BIOS. This is a note for people who might somehow be getting the M3N72-D. Between that and the M3A mobo that completely puked out on my wife's machine, I am starting to opt for avoiding this manufacturer. I used to swear by them too.

Unless someone else has a great idea as to how these numbers can get larger I am stumped.

I suppose 3.8 Ghz with slightly overclocked RAM is better than 4.0 Ghz with stock HT and RAM speeds.

On top of that when I up the voltage... I still see the same numbers for voltage whether or not I set them to auto or tell BIOS what I want.

Heh well I will still continue to read the forums and maybe next time I'll buy all the right things because people will be praising hardware, for certain.
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Take it from Intel; the i7 920 D0's were AWESOME clockers, some 950's can't reach equal speeds, regardless of the increase in stock clock. AMD 955/965's seem to OC better then the 970's, maybe they were cut from a better batch? All AMD did was up the clock speed a hundred Mhz
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I am guessing you are right. But I am sitting at 3.8 for cheap so I can't complain too loud. I am sure it's the board, simply because I can't get HT and NB up to what people consider normal numbers.
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Okay I got a bit of a clue and read up and managed to get this:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1702245
My NB is sitting at 2543 give or take. I pass the Everest stress test, but it fails PRIME 95. Any suggestions on this?

I almost have it, I think. This is about as good as things are going to get.
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more HTT less multi.

Also, nForce board is probably not helping.
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Hey, not gonna lie, but your idle temp is WAY too high for an AMD Chip. 37C Idle? My X2 560 never goes over 35C under full system load with an outdated AC Freezer64 cooler.

Also, 57C load for AMD chips is when things start going bad. I would not be surprised if that is the reason behind your OC troubles.

Two things: what are you reading the temperatures off? MB CPU temps, or Core CPU temps? The MB temp readings are usually ~10C higher than core readings. Download HWMonitor and see. Get a screenshot of HWMonitor at idle/load up here, and we'll take a look.


Second, you have got to check your airflow and/or CPU HSF seating, cause those temps are way, way too high.

Hope this helps.
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Using "Core Temp"

Actually in this new batch of setting I am sitting at 38 degrees idle and 54 degrees at load. Should have mentioned that. I also should mention that I can run a small FFT test practically all day and the temp never gets above 54C now. However it still fails the blend test.

Here's HW Monitor. I am using a massive fan too. :/

Hardware monitorITE IT87
Voltage 01.47 Volts [0x5C] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 13.38 Volts [0xD3] (VIN1)
Voltage 35.00 Volts [0xBA] (+5V)
Voltage 411.97 Volts [0xBB] (+12V)
Voltage 74.97 Volts [0xB9] (+5V VCCH)
Voltage 83.15 Volts [0xC5] (VBAT)
Temperature 036°C (96°F) [0x24] (TMPIN0)
Temperature 140°C (104°F) [0x28] (TMPIN1)
Fan 01378 RPM [0x1EA] (FANIN0)
Fan 11749 RPM [0x182] (FANIN1)
Fan PWM 099 pc [0x7F] (FANPWM0)
Fan PWM 199 pc [0x7F] (FANPWM1)
Fan PWM 299 pc [0x7F] (FANPWM2)
Edited by mrbbman - 3/10/11 at 12:13am
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Using "Core Temp"

Actually in this new batch of setting I am sitting at 38 degrees idle and 54 degrees at load. Should have mentioned that. I also should mention that I can run a small FFT test practically all day and the temp never gets above 54C now. However it still fails the blend test.

Here's HW Monitor. I am using a massive fan too. :/

Hardware monitorITE IT87
Voltage 01.47 Volts [0x5C] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 13.38 Volts [0xD3] (VIN1)
Voltage 35.00 Volts [0xBA] (+5V)
Voltage 411.97 Volts [0xBB] (+12V)
Voltage 74.97 Volts [0xB9] (+5V VCCH)
Voltage 83.15 Volts [0xC5] (VBAT)
Temperature 036°C (96°F) [0x24] (TMPIN0)
Temperature 140°C (104°F) [0x28] (TMPIN1)
Fan 01378 RPM [0x1EA] (FANIN0)
Fan 11749 RPM [0x182] (FANIN1)
Fan PWM 099 pc [0x7F] (FANPWM0)
Fan PWM 199 pc [0x7F] (FANPWM1)
Fan PWM 299 pc [0x7F] (FANPWM2)
yeah, 38Cidle is NOT ok for AMD Chips. Is your Cool&Quiet enabled?
The Temp0 in here is the motherboard CPU temp sensors, and it it usually 7-10C higher than the core CPU temps. (I'll upload my HWMonitor screen to show you when I get a chance)

I think your temps are causing you instability problems. When OCed, AMD chips tend to BSOD when temps get into high 50s. These Deneb cores are sensitive to temps, and the cooler you can run them, the higher you can OC them.

Do you have sufficient airflow in the case? Try to see what kind of temps you get if you take off the side panel on your case.
    
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