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and what MOST people want (including me) from a UI is simple and efficient... gnome shell and unity are neither really :/
Now here I must disagree. If MOST people wanted simple and efficient, there wouldn't be so many Windows users.
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From what I've seen, I don't really like either Unity or Gnome Shell, but if I had to pick between them Gnome Shell looks much nicer. Either way I have a feeling there's going to be a massive influx to a "Gubuntu" distro.
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and what MOST people want (including me) from a UI is simple and efficient... gnome shell and unity are neither really :/
Exactly. We're losing sight of the fact that the UI is just a means to an end. All of social stuff they are adding is great, but why mess with the UI?

We've been using the mouse and keyboard for decades because there simply isn't anything better. Its the same with the UI. IMO Gnome had it perfect (once you got rid of the double bars anyway). There is no reason to mess with it.

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Now here I must disagree. If MOST people wanted simple and efficient, there wouldn't be so many Windows users.
Whats more simple and efficient than Windows? You want something you click an exe and install it/run it. No messing with dependencies or config files or just straight up random BS like you get in Linux. I go back to Windows when I want to stop thinking about what my OS is doing.
    
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Whats more simple and efficient than Windows? You want something you click an exe and install it/run it. No messing with dependencies or config files or just straight up random BS like you get in Linux. I go back to Windows when I want to stop thinking about what my OS is doing.
Excluding the part where you have to find and download a safe version of the installer from some place in the internet. Oh yeah, you should probably also install something so you can do hash checks first for security....Or you could just use a package manager and in one line type whatever you want to download and install.

I don't find Linux particularly complex, it's just foreign to most and doesn't have tons of commercial support.
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Excluding the part where you have to find and download a safe version of the installer from some place in the internet. Oh yeah, you should probably also install something so you can do hash checks first for security....Or you could just use a package manager and in one line type whatever you want to download and install.
And after the package manager installs it you usually have to google to figure out why its not running properly, if its running at all, or why its not configured properly, or why its missing a key component because you don't have an optional dependency installed.
    
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And after the package manager installs it you usually have to google to figure out why its not running properly, if its running at all, or why its not configured properly, or why its missing a key component because you don't have an optional dependency installed.
yeah, nothing like this ever happens in windows...
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Honestly, it doesn't. It happened a lot with XP and Vista, but with Windows 7 I can have everything up and running properly with no BS 20 minutes after the first boot. I never have to touch a config file, touch the command line, or mess with dependencies. I simply can't do that with any Linux distribution.


Windows is unrivaled in it's ability to just 'work' on pretty much any PC in existence. You cannot dispute that.
    
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Linux can be the same, the trade-off is bloaty apps, and a bloaty OS as a whole (so, a lot like Windows). The reason Linux is awesome is because distros like Slackware & Arch also belong to the same family, and there is no Windows family at all really.

On Unity - I hate it, currently running UNR 10.10, and that's only because I haven't found the time to bite the bullet and stick Arch on my netbook. I was gutted when I heard that the main Ubuntu was going with Unity as a UI. I haven't got extensive Mac OSX experience, but to me it seemed like a terrible implementation of the Win7 taskbar (although I understand the OSX comment). The fact that there's no real desktop, just a launcher and a blank space, is ludicrous. If GNOME are going this way with Gnome 3, I'm sticking with XFCE. The KNR (which is now merged with Kubuntu 10.10) was another abortion, it was so difficult to use. I don't understand why the major DEs are undergoing major changes - if you look at Windows, not much has changed in the UI since 95!
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Honestly, it doesn't. It happened a lot with XP and Vista, but with Windows 7 I can have everything up and running properly with no BS 20 minutes after the first boot. I never have to touch a config file, touch the command line, or mess with dependencies. I simply can't do that with any Linux distribution.


Windows is unrivaled in it's ability to just 'work' on pretty much any PC in existence. You cannot dispute that.
I quite honestly don't have to in Ubuntu anyway, but I run Arch because I prefer to have a measure of control over my system, sure, it takes a lot less time for it to automatically set itself up but how do I know its set everything up right?

I seriously hope there's a gnome-legacy or the like, I hate gnome shell.
    
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And I can't stop thinking about what Windows is doing behind my back, with that stiletto and garrote...
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