Originally Posted by nathris
You're doing the same thing that I do with Arch with Windows. I may be a little guilty on the whole Arch thing, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
I can't remember the last time it took me 2 hours to install Windows. It must have been on XP with my old 478 Celeron. Even getting XP to run in virtualbox, which involved a full installation, upgrading it from SP1 to SP3 and installing all of the VMWare drivers took around an hour from inserting my XP home disc to watching Mythbusters on Netflix.
For simple things like browsing the web and checking email, yea its easier in Linux.
But what about things like wireless? Even with Ubuntu it can be a pain.
Or how about sound? Assuming your soundcard even works right, you're probably missing basic codecs like MP3, so you have to track down the appropriate plugin for your distro. In Windows it all works correctly right away, and for the few codecs than don't work you have the k-lite codec pack, which in one click gives you everything.
Its even worse if you want to watch live TV. In Windows 7 you simply have to start Media Center and provide your location information so it can download the program guide, but in Linux with programs like MythTV you have to mess around with MySQL databases.
And how about multi-monitor support? It varies by video card, but with nVidia if you want to add/configure a second monitor you need to write the changes to a separate xorg.conf and then open up a terminal and sudo cp it to /etc/X11 and then restart X. In Windows that stuff just works, no restarts required. It also works with 3 monitors, whereas in Linux the third monitor has to run it's own X server, which totally messes with the DE.
Linux also fails when it comes to presentations. Getting slides to display properly when connected to a projector is damn near impossible.
And then there is RAID support. fakeraid doesn't work out of the box on any distro I know of, yet it works perfectly on Windows.
All of this is just my own personal experiences, and they are the main reasons why I still use Windows on my desktop. I haven't booted into Windows on my laptop for well over a month, but thats because I mainly use it for work. As an actual "personal computer" though, Linux can't compete with Windows.
sorry if i came off strong and saying you were wrong, i wasn't actually. i was trying to convey that what you are saying is "bad" in linux is very subjective.
we all have our reasons to be using linux, as a lot of those points for a lot of linux users is the reason why they don't like windows...and love linux, so how can a feature of linux that people love about it, be wrong?
now obviously you don't like that about linux, but there are different distro choices, you did make the choice to use arch linux right? or was it forced upon you, i could see a dislike for it but sticking with it cause it was forced upon you...if you can, maybe you should switch over to another distro (i hear linux mint is good for starters coming out of windows, or for people who don't like ubuntu, but who want to stay with debian based distro but find debian too outdated.)
and honestly nathris, you aren't wrong, but you are not right either...you have formed a independent opinion on the things that you don't like about arch linux, and with opinions, they are like noses most everyone has one...but they are far from being facts...or even right or wrong...
to me, you further compounded this discussion, by comparing these "problems" with how windows handles them...most of us here have windows experience...where you can point out a linux "issue" that windows doesn't have, and i can turn around and point to a windows "issue" that linux doesn't have, you see its a vicious circle, you will never get any where or learn anything if you compare only windows strengths, ignoring its weakness, and then pitting those strengths only against linux weakness...
that is where you start seeing all these fanboi roid rage flame threads, cause only linux lacking, and weakness are discussed...then you have a quite experience linux user go "wait a minute, linux has these strengths over windows weaknesses" then it just back and forth...
i mean i can spend all day writing long diatribes on how windows has introduced mediocre for the last 20 years, with little to no innovation, stinting the growth of far more advanced and powerful, or even cheaper, less power hungry hardware architectures, in favor of continued support only for the slow, outdated and bloated x86 instruction set...then i can set here, and compare each version of windows, explaining in great deal, offering proof, how windows has duped us into buying the same OS for the last 20 years...but i'm honestly sick and tired of these constant why windows is better or why linux is better type of threads.
if we all can, do you think we can swing this discussion to ubuntu current decision to use unity instead of gnome? as we are all very well aware of linux weakness, its strengths, and those of windows...