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I think VI is nice for quick edits though too, I think it's much easier to hit :wq! than deal with ctrl+x, y/n, file name. :wq! saved and done.

[edit] Technically Esc, :wq!, Enter
That's the long way. The short way is ZZ
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That's the long way. The short way is ZZ
Really? Just ZZ caps? Or just the button ZZ: Esc, ZZ? Dang, VI just got way better if that's the case. I despise Ctrl + Anything, just because using CTRL is a pain in the arse when I'm working on... Well when I'm working on anything! It's nice for gui stuff that doesn't need the mouse, but in CLI I find it rather annoying.
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post #23 of 66
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Really? Just ZZ caps? Or just the button ZZ: Esc, ZZ? Dang, VI just got way better if that's the case. I despise Ctrl + Anything, just because using CTRL is a pain in the arse when I'm working on... Well when I'm working on anything! It's nice for gui stuff that doesn't need the mouse, but in CLI I find it rather annoying.
Just ZZ in caps. Try it!
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see...

even people who like vi dont know how to fully use it lol

id rather have something simple that does what i want
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vi can go die in a ditch XD

nano ftw

QFT

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take a deep breath count to 10, as i'm about to reveal another shocker, it doesn't come with sudo either...
Yeah, that's fail too. I know that "su -c" does the same thing, but sudo is part of Linux imo, so much so that it should be including as a builtin in Bash. I guess you could symlink "sudo" to "su -c" though?

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Really? Just ZZ caps? Or just the button ZZ: Esc, ZZ? Dang, VI just got way better if that's the case. I despise Ctrl + Anything, just because using CTRL is a pain in the arse when I'm working on... Well when I'm working on anything! It's nice for gui stuff that doesn't need the mouse, but in CLI I find it rather annoying.
I actually like Ctrl, it makes the action more delibrate. Typos are easy to do, especially in vi with the mode selector (VERY easy to be in the wrong mode, and why a lot of people, myself included, can't stand vi)
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Yeah, that's fail too. I know that "su -c" does the same thing, but sudo is part of Linux imo, so much so that it should be including as a builtin in Bash. I guess you could symlink "sudo" to "su -c" though?
su and sudo are different tools with different security models. Don't confuse the two.
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su and sudo are different tools with different security models. Don't confuse the two.
That might be true for a server admin or other Linux power user, but at the desktop level, they both provide root access to a user account
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maybe its cause morning coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

but doesn't su stand for "switch user" and sudo stands for "super user do"

@chemical, yeah they are two different programs, i disable sudo in ubuntu, i don't like it much, i use su instead when i need root privileges.
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I've been telling folks that for YEARS, I got into an argument on linuxquestions about SU being Super User and not Switch User. It was on the *buntu section, go figure.
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maybe its cause morning coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

but doesn't su stand for "switch user" and sudo stands for "super user do"

@chemical, yeah they are two different programs, i disable sudo in ubuntu, i don't like it much, i use su instead when i need root privileges.

Correct. su is switch user. It actually has nothing to do with gaining root privileges. The only reason it gets confused with sudo is that su defaults to root if you don't supply a user name.

If I just type "su" I will switch to root. If I want to go back I type "su nathris"


Also, vi/vim/emacs/etc.. are useless as far as I'm concerned. They are only used by people old enough to have grown up without a modern GUI. The only time I would ever consider using one is through SSH.

If you're doing something simple like editing a config file then nano is all you need. Anything more than cut/copy/paste/find is useless.

For anything else I wouldn't give up gedit with my built in console/python terminal, build tools, tabs, and sessions for anything.
    
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