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I keep passing this cheap emachine in Wal-Mart, trying to think of an excuse each to time buy it. Here's the specs on the emachine site:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=EL1352G-41w

Normally I wouldn't mind building it myself but some strange appeal about the small form factor and everything being already to go so I can start using it now.

The problem is the max memory is apparently 4GB which I don't think is enough for my intended purposes: I would like to run a bunch of VMs using either Xen or MS Hyper-V (the AMD Athlon™ II X2 220 has the VM extension, I looked it up). Maybe a few XP VMs but not much in the way of Win7 obviously. I didn't actually want to spend a lot of money and yet-another-computer but I think I can rationalize a spare box for VM technology experiments...

I tried to put together a similar-costing list of parts on new egg, which I did for exactly $300 after shipping/sales tax and it even includes 8gigs of memory (but no PSU, I have some of those anyway).

So I'm trying to way to pros and cons here. I just way to play around with some VM technology, nothing really taxing I don't think.

The $300 system comes with a optical drive, HDD and multi-card reader, a nice space saving/tiny case and a PSU

The new egg system comes has 4 times the memory (and I assume better parts and I have an optical drive, lots of HDDs and a spare PSU anyway).

So I'm trying to ask the new community here: should I go the instant gratification route and buy this cheap emachine, or buy all the parts and not have a system running for probably another week. Or talk me out it entirely.

Here's the parts list I put together from newegg in case anybody wants to see it:

sgnY3.jpg

Edit: OCN has managed to talk me out of the $300 eMachine. Instead I managed to put together a nice system for less than $300 including tax/shipping (the emachine would have had 8% sales tax plus the California recycle fee). Here's the parts list I went with. Managed to get the price down with the open box deal.

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I have yet to meet anyone who didn't regret buying an eMachine.

I'll suggest a few cons: You may not be able to upgrade it later. It may be slow. The BIOS may be crappy and not let you overclock, or even enable AMD-V (which you'll want). It may die a horrible death and you find they won't honor the warranty because it was a full moon that night and damage from werewolves isn't covered.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by error10;12663635 
I have yet to meet anyone who didn't regret buying an eMachine.

I'll suggest a few cons: You may not be able to upgrade it later. It may be slow. The BIOS may be crappy and not let you overclock, or even enable AMD-V (which you'll want). It may die a horrible death and you find they won't honor the warranty because it was a full moon that night and damage from werewolves isn't covered.

This.

Build it yourself. My first computer of my own was an emachine. when i learned enough to open it up and take it apart i realized how crappy all of the components are, and how useless the bios is. Might as well take the time to get exactly what you need, in quality parts rather than have a headache when the emachine has problems. it will.

ive got three dead emachine mobos in my room, as well as another dead replacement that were put in them that died when the PSU went.
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Hmmm it didn't occur to me they would disable the vm thing, good point. Guess I will think about this more and probably build one.

Any opinions on the new egg list as posted for a "lite vm server"? Emphasis is on cheap remember!
 
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post #5 of 23
I've got a few eMachines from family members sitting in my closet. Couldn't fix any of them because either the power supply died and took the motherboard with it or the motherboard was just dead. My advice would just be stay away.
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yes over the counter pc are not going to be overclockers, they lock all the feaures
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The only thing I'd really change in your Newegg list is to get a slower quad-core instead of a faster dual-core CPU. While virtual machines aren't necessarily that CPU intensive, there is some overhead, and if you're going to run a bunch of them at once, you'll want some CPU breathing room.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by subassy;12663453 
I keep passing this cheap emachine in Wal-Mart, trying to think of an excuse each to time buy it. Here's the specs on the emachine site:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=EL1352G-41w

Normally I wouldn't mind building it myself but some strange appeal about the small form factor and everything being already to go so I can start using it now.

The problem is the max memory is apparently 4GB which I don't think is enough for my intended purposes: I would like to run a bunch of VMs using either Xen or MS Hyper-V (the AMD Athlon™ II X2 220 has the VM extension, I looked it up). Maybe a few XP VMs but not much in the way of Win7 obviously. I didn't actually want to spend a lot of money and yet-another-computer but I think I can rationalize a spare box for VM technology experiments...

I tried to put together a similar-costing list of parts on new egg, which I did for exactly $300 after shipping/sales tax and it even includes 8gigs of memory (but no PSU, I have some of those anyway).

So I'm trying to way to pros and cons here. I just way to play around with some VM technology, nothing really taxing I don't think.

The $300 system comes with a optical drive, HDD and multi-card reader, a nice space saving/tiny case and a PSU

The new egg system comes has 4 times the memory (and I assume better parts and I have an optical drive, lots of HDDs and a spare PSU anyway).

So I'm trying to ask the new community here: should I go the instant gratification route and buy this cheap emachine, or buy all the parts and not have a system running for probably another week. Or talk me out it entirely.

Here's the parts list I put together from newegg in case anybody wants to see it:

sgnY3.jpg



I am not seeing that you are ordering drives... or have drives.. such as HDD and CD/DVD ROM

Sorry totally overlooked that line of your paragraph. Guess my eyes are ready for bed ! cheers.gif
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Emachines aren't bad if all you want to do is check email and play Hoyle Card Games. But watch out! The moment you get a Royal Flush, the thing will die a painful death before you can get anyone over to see your Royal Flush proudly presented on your screen.

TBH I had an Emachines about 4 years ago. The PSU died in it, so someone threw it in the trash, and I saved it. I used it as my gaming rig for about 2 years until I had enough money to build my sig rig. I never had a minutes worth of trouble out of that machine. I couldn't really upgrade the processor, but I did upgrade the video card a couple of times and the RAM up to 1.5GB and add in a few extra HDD's. For a free computer, she served her purpose well.

My rig before that was a Win 98SE box I played Dungeon Hacker on! lachen.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by error10;12663859 
The only thing I'd really change in your Newegg list is to get a slower quad-core instead of a faster dual-core CPU. While virtual machines aren't necessarily that CPU intensive, there is some overhead, and if you're going to run a bunch of them at once, you'll want some CPU breathing room.


I am able to run 6 Windows Server 2008 R2 virtual servers at the same time on my sig rig. Granted, they each have only 512Mb of RAM, but I don't notice a slowdown (besides normal VM slowdown) until I open the 4th or 5th one or if some of the others are performing installs or the like. Even then, it's still manageable for me.

Having said that, I will agree with error10. I multi task a LOT. I'll get one thing started in one server, move to the next, get that thing started, and move to the next. Rinse and repeat lol If you're not that type of person, I doubt you'll be able to enjoy having more than 2 VM's open at once on a dual core.

In a case like this, user behavior should very much be taken into account. Especially when you're this close to your $300 budget. Just my 2cents.gif
Edited by Razinhail - 3/8/11 at 9:10pm
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Someone tell me if I should just start another thread for this but here's my latest parts list. Managed to add a quad core and still keep it cheap via the famous open-box. I just hope it doesn't sell out before I get home thanks my drawing attention (that probably won't happen, right?).

dVRUA.jpg

This is probably what I will buy unless some one can find a flaw in the list... smile.gif


I had four memory sticks with a board that has only two slots so I'm continuing my shopping cart re-org now. My quest for a good $300 VM server shall continue...

And thanks for the feedback and help guys!!
Edited by subassy - 3/8/11 at 10:27pm
 
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