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Just wondering if anyone has any tips on best usage of RAM on a new PC (in sig) that I'm having built and should have by next week.

I've gone for so much (16GB) memory as (a) I intend to keep this machine for quite a few years as I went for a top spec, and in a year or two I can overclock it to give it a boost, (b) I use multiple virtual machines that need a couple of gig each anyway, and (c) I can't think of a "c" right now.

One of my first moves, after installing Win7 Pro onto the new machine will be to switch off the page file which I almost certainly won't need. After that, I've thought I might make a RAM Disk that Firefox, PhotoShop, PhotoPaint and video conversion tools can use. I probably wouldn't bother switching windows temp folders to the RAM disk (even though I have an SSD), but I'm open to convincing that it's a good idea to do that.

Any other suggestions? I've tried everything I can think of to make this new machine fly (fastest sensibly priced processor available, Enough fast RAM to be able to have no pagefile and to have a big RAM Disk, overclockable processor/motherboard, Fast (2nd Gen) SSD - although I'll upgrade to a Corsair P3 (3rd Gen SATA 600) drive as soon as they're available.
    
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Okay fair enough, that 16GB should last you for quite a while, especially with the upcoming Windows 8. Hope you enjoy the overkill memory Virtual machine's for the win!
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Okay fair enough, that 16GB should last you for quite a while, especially with the upcoming Windows 8. Hope you enjoy the overkill memory Virtual machine's for the win!
16GB is a bit of overkill, but I expect to "need" more than 8GB every single day. I could have settled for 12GB, that would have been enough, but going for 16 means no paging file and I can have a nice 4GB RAM disk too.
    
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16GB is a bit of overkill, but I expect to "need" more than 8GB every single day. I could have settled for 12GB, that would have been enough, but going for 16 means no paging file and I can have a nice 4GB RAM disk too.
Indeed it is, but very usfull if your running multiple Virtual Machine, doing Photo Editing, Video Editing etc... it all helps at the end of the day...

hell I would love to have 16GB myself.... e-peen =================== >>
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Watch out, some programs go bonkers if you turn the page file off. Now's the time to test out some VM's All your missing is the GPU upgrade, but a PSU upgrade will be mandatory!
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Watch out, some programs go bonkers if you turn the page file off. Now's the time to test out some VM's All your missing is the GPU upgrade, but a PSU upgrade will be mandatory!
What's wrong with my GPU choice? I chose it because it's passive cooling (no fan) and considering the amount of video work I do (not a lot, but some) I'm fairly happy with it. Feel free to convince me I'm wrong though. You think my 330W PSU isn't powerful enough? I'll only ever have one drive in the box (and it's an SSD), the graphics card isn't a heavy duty one either. If it's not enough, I expect the PC maker/shop to warn me I need an upgrade. They're the ones that suggested it.
    
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What's wrong with my GPU choice? I chose it because it's passive cooling (no fan) and considering the amount of video work I do (not a lot, but some) I'm fairly happy with it. Feel free to convince me I'm wrong though. You think my 330W PSU isn't powerful enough? I'll only ever have one drive in the box (and it's an SSD), the graphics card isn't a heavy duty one either. If it's not enough, I expect the PC maker/shop to warn me I need an upgrade. They're the ones that suggested it.
A passive 5750, are you sure?
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heres a strategy, remove some ram

Dude.. thats alot of ram... once you're up and running I'd like to see some screen shots of your usage.. I also edit video, HEAVILY.. and from our research more ram can hurt your machine. Too much memory can cause fragmenting, so some effects and renders actually take longer because of the perpetual black hole of memory.

Most people have the mis conception that video editing/compression = butt loads of memory. That money could have been put towards a raid setup, as hard drive throughput is also a huge culprit in buffer underrun errors in many production/editing apps.

I'm not knockin, just trying to educate.
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What's wrong with my GPU choice? I chose it because it's passive cooling (no fan) and considering the amount of video work I do (not a lot, but some) I'm fairly happy with it. Feel free to convince me I'm wrong though. You think my 330W PSU isn't powerful enough? I'll only ever have one drive in the box (and it's an SSD), the graphics card isn't a heavy duty one either. If it's not enough, I expect the PC maker/shop to warn me I need an upgrade. They're the ones that suggested it.
I think what the guy meant was that your gpu isn't up to the same standards as the rest of your pc... but seeing as you don't game or need any parallel processing, etc. don't worry about it. As for the psu he only mentioned that because a more powerful video card would need a larger psu, it's fine for your current rig.
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A passive 5750, are you sure?
Yup, this one.


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heres a strategy, remove some ram

Dude.. thats alot of ram... once you're up and running I'd like to see some screen shots of your usage.. I also edit video, HEAVILY.. and from our research more ram can hurt your machine. Too much memory can cause fragmenting, so some effects and renders actually take longer because of the perpetual black hole of memory.

Most people have the mis conception that video editing/compression = butt loads of memory. That money could have been put towards a raid setup, as hard drive throughput is also a huge culprit in buffer underrun errors in many production/editing apps.

I'm not knockin, just trying to educate.
Thanks for the tips. My > 8GB strategy is mostly for my virtual machines. I'm currently (on the machine I'll be replacing with the rig you see in the sig) restricted to running one VM at a time due to my current 3GB of memory. I want to have 3 running (one XP, one Vista and one Win 7) and they'll need a total of 6-7GB themselves. On top of that my Win 7 host will want a good 3GB for itself (now we're close to 10). With the remaining 6GB I'll be using that with a 4GB RAM Disk and an extra 2GB for breathing room, considering I won't have a page file it may occasionally get used. I could get by with 12GB I suppose, but chose not to. Video editing is only a small part of my usage. The VMs are the lion's share.

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I think what the guy meant was that your gpu isn't up to the same standards as the rest of your pc... but seeing as you don't game or need any parallel processing, etc. don't worry about it. As for the psu he only mentioned that because a more powerful video card would need a larger psu, it's fine for your current rig.
For me, gaming means playing something like Bejeweled, Tetris or (when it comes out) Angry Birds. My choice of graphics card was based on power usage and noise. If it had fans, they'd make noise and use power. As this rig will be on for 12-15 hours a day, I'd rather it wasn't sucking up 850W. Electric bills suck enough already.
    
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