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Stop trying to excuse the GTX480, It's a single GPU and runs hotter then a 6990
I find myself repeating this today: you need to improve your reading skills.

Where did I excuse the GTX480 ?

If you are going to pursue that strategy of saying that I said the exact opposite of what I really said, it's not really worth to continue with this discussion.


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People who buy the 6990 are people with a lot of spare cash and thus more likly to have high end gear and cooling equipment.

Your argument is so flawed you could say the same thing about the GTX480.

People who have money to buy a high end GPU are a minority. Even those who buy a GTX570 or a 6950/70 are a minority, let alone the previous flagship GTX480.

So, according to your line of argumentation, a GTX480 owner is also likely to put a better cooling solution in it, thereby excusing the fact that Nvidia screwed up the GPU design in the first place.

It is evident this does not excuse neither Nvidia nor ATI.

And it's not quite the same situation in this case; this is the first card EVER to break the 300w PCIe certification limit. At stock speeds it rates at 375w, but goes above that if you flip that switch, which even leaves you to your own, as the warranty does not cover damage from flipping the switch.

Do you really think this is acceptable ?

And just so you know beforehand, I will criticise Nvidia in the same way if they go the same route.
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Doesn't the GTX 295 run out of steam past 1680X1050 because of memory limits compared to anything newer than say a GTX480? But then again, sounds like this guy will spend the $$$ so why not go with the best card availible at this time.
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Doesn't the GTX 295 run out of steam past 1680X1050 because of memory limits compared to anything newer than say a GTX480? But then again, sounds like this guy will spend the $$$ so why not go with the best card availible at this time.
I'd say yes, but only past 1900x1200.
 
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I'd say yes, but only past 1900x1200.
Dude my 1Gb 5850's were crapping out at 1920x1080 due to memory limits when running slightly modded games.

Texture packs need a 2Gb card in this day and age.

Hence me moving to a 2Gb 6950.
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No you just have them running silly hot just like the 9800GX2 and GTX295...

And that 6990 still runs cooler then some Nvidia SINGLE core GPU's...
Oh that is not a dig at that particular card...
dont hate me cause I have an nvidia card... I dont play the Nvidia or ATI... ahem AMD is better game... they are both great cards... if the 590 has the same problem when it comes out... guess what I am going to say to someone who says just replace the stock cooler to get better temps... lol
    
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Dude my 1Gb 5850's were crapping out at 1920x1080 due to memory limits when running slightly modded games.

Texture packs need a 2Gb card in this day and age.

Hence me moving to a 2Gb 6950.


I was talking about non modded games, not "slightly modded games" with high resolution texture packs.

If you go that way, you need at least a fast Quad-Core, 4GB of RAM, a 64-bit OS and all the Vram you can get in order to get Half-Life 2 Cinema Mod to work properly.
 
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Wow. I just checked and amazed at the responses. Thank you all.
I'm going to try to avoid the 6990 because i think i can be smarter with my
money and put more cash towards other gear.

I'm a big fan of high detail in games, and still have not experienced dx11 with high framerates. Only dx11 rig i have is my g73 laptop.

So with the resolution of 1920x1200 the best solution would be a 6870's or 570's?
I looked a few benchmarks and I wondering why the 5870 card performs better then the 6 series of it. Would the 5870 be a better choice then the 6870?

on the green side, i'm currently considering the 570, or maybe the 580(much money)

I'm going to try to avoid dual gpu cards. these are the cards i've had in order 7950x2, 9800gx2, gtx295. In games that are not optimized for SLI i notice a little struggle sometimes.

Games I play: everything and everything.

If i have to blow extra cash on a 580 thats fine. My gtx295 has done its job. i've had it since it first came out and it treated me well, but i noticing some weakness lately.

So it comes down to this. EDIT: 5870, 6870, 6970, 570, 580.

I will only buy one card for now, but will get a secondary within a 2 week gap, maybe little more. Thanks for all the responses.
Edited by sovietr4mbo - 3/9/11 at 3:11pm
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6870's in crossfireX are faster then 295 sli. so i vote a 6870.
    
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Wow. I just checked and amazed at the responses. Thank you all.
I'm going to try to avoid the 6990 because i think i can be smarter with my
money and put more cash towards other gear.

I'm a big fan of high detail in games, and still have not experienced dx11 with high framerates. Only dx11 rig i have is my g73 laptop.

So with the resolution of 1920x1200 the best solution would be a 6870's or 570's?
I looked a few benchmarks and I wondering why the 5870 card performs better then the 6 series of it. Would the 5870 be a better choice then the 6870?

on the green side, i'm currently considering the 570, or maybe the 580(much money)

I'm going to try to avoid dual gpu cards. these are the cards i've had in order 7950x2, 9800gx2, gtx295. In games that are not optimized for SLI i notice a little struggle sometimes.

Games I play: everything and everything.

If i have to blow extra cash on a 580 thats fine. My gtx295 has done its job. i've had it since it first came out and it treated me well, but i noticing some weakness lately.

So it comes down to this. EDIT: 5870, 6870, 6970, 570, 580.

I will only buy one card for now, but will get a secondary within a 2 week gap, maybe little more. Thanks for all the responses.

The 6870's are slower than the 5870's in many games, except the ones that employ tesselation. In fact they are not supposed to be faster. They are at a price point cheaper than the 5870.

AMD changed their model numbering - the x8xx series is now midrange. The x9xx series is the new high end series.

Having said that, it's complete nonsense to get the HD6870 because AMD recently released the HD6950 1GB, which is better - better than the 5870 too, and not for much more money.

However, given you originally said you wanted better performance than your GTX295, I wouldn't go any lower than an AMD 6970 2GB, or a GTX570 or a GTX580.

The GTX580 will, of course give you the best performance and longevity; it's up to you to decide if you want to spend that kind of money on a single card, or save some and get one GTX570 and another one in a few weeks, like you say.

The GTX570 will handle almost everything maxed out at 1920x1200/1920x1080. If you include Metro 2033 in that "everything" though, I'll just leave this link here

As you can see, Metro has a lot of DX11 features and is really demanding if you set everything to max. At 1920x1200 a single GTX570 will start to get framerates below 30. if you put two in SLI you will be fine.

But if that is any indication of what is to come, the GTX580 will give you the edge. At a price, of course.

If you just play Metro 2033 in High quality, you'll get better results with the GTX570 (37fps). See here The GTX580 gets 43.3 frames per second in the same test.

Only you know how much money you are willing to spend on two graphics cards; two GTX570's are of course much cheaper than two GTX580's.
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@tpi

Would it be a cheaper solution to grab 2 2gb flavors of the 6950's and flash their bios to work as 6970's?

I have a clan mate who did that, and is very happy... would you recommend this method? or are there drawbacks to doing it that way?
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