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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
Too little too late... AMD lost me for the better chipmaker in 2008 and isn't showing any desire to get me back.
Too little? How much do we know at this point?
Too late? Does that mean you're buying intel for life now?
 
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Too little? How much do we know at this point?
Too late? Does that mean you're buying intel for life now?
What I meant:

Too little information, too late to "the game." Kind of like Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2; lost interest in both with so many years of waiting. You can only keep your customers waiting for so long until they decide to go elsewhere.
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Theres a lot of evidence both ways actually. No one really knows.
Nope. AM3+ only.

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JF-AMD has already stated that AM3+ CPU's will not work in AM3 sockets. He asked the client-side guys himself because the rumors were just getting too ridiculous. The rumor stemmed from some mobo makers (MSI and ASRock) releasing 890FX boards with the AM3+ socket. These boards have the extra pin holes for an AM3+ CPU, so only these boards (of all the boards currently on the market) can accommodate Bulldozer CPU's when the time comes.
Beat me to it.
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Right... Lol, I disagree. For me to buy a product, I don't have to follow every step of progress in it's development from the moment it is announced to the moment it is released.

If I need an upgrade, I'll just take whatever's the best for me at the moment.
IMO, it sounds reaaally silly to go "Ya, I would'a loved it had it just come a bit earlier" about a game or whatever...
Respect your opinion and that you don't go crazy about something when it's first announced like some do (I do) but in response to the bold I guess my view is:

Really? so if a game has been in development for like 5 or more years and its tech and features are outdated by the time it releases, you're still going to be drooling over it? I'm a huge fan of the Source engine and its titles, but that's a different case where Source has constantly received updates through the years and it's an engine, not a game.

Duke Nukem Forever being a good example, longest game in production ever. In its defense, it has been totally wiped and redone multiple times I believe and I still have interest in it only because of that fact.
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but we've already found out that AM3+ cpu's won't be backward-compatible.
AM3 cpu's are going to work in AM3+ motherboards though. Hopefully the AM3+ boards will release soon so I can go ahead and get one then use my 955 'til it's time to drop a BD chip in.
o.O Yes they are... Where'd you get YOUR info from? You just won't get all the extra features that come with the AM3+ architecture. o_O
     
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Well, if the modules work as good as Intel's HT, you would think they would have thrown it in everyones face with concrete evidence if that were the case.
True dis.
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What is the deal with APU's... I am not impressed by any CPU+GPU ON DIE... that wasted space could be more CPU cores... and I will still have to buy a $1000 discrete video card anyway to play games on MAXXXXX settings, good for laptops, worthless for gaming.
I believe you answered your own question. Good for laptops, bad for gaming. These APUs are great for HTPCs as well!
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Respect your opinion and that you don't go crazy about something when it's first announced like some do (I do) but in response to the bold I guess my view is:

Really? so if a game has been in development for like 5 or more years and its tech and features are outdated by the time it releases, you're still going to be drooling over it? I'm a huge fan of the Source engine and its titles, but that's a different case where Source has constantly received updates through the years and it's an engine, not a game.

Duke Nukem Forever being a good example, longest game in production ever. In its defense, it has been totally wiped and redone multiple times I believe and I still have interest in it only because of that fact.
I sort of agree with this... except I was too much of a StarCraft fanboy to let it go, even IF I had to wait for 10+ years. I think it's the same with your reasoning for Duke Nukem.
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o.O Yes they are... Where'd you get YOUR info from? You just won't get all the extra features that come with the AM3+ architecture. o_O
Source?


Discussion is good, but can we leave the AMD fanboy loving and hating at the door? There is no where NEAR enough information to be saying which is better.
 
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What I meant:

Too little information, too late to "the game." Kind of like Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2; lost interest in both with so many years of waiting. You can only keep your customers waiting for so long until they decide to go elsewhere.
That may be your opinion, but there is a lot of hype around Diablo 3 and its presumed to come out at the end of this year. Ive heard its one of the most anticipated games yet. Starcraft 2, MANY years later still had line ups at the midnight release. Millions of people play SC2 on a daily bases.

The customers may went elsewhere, however, they came back. And I am 99% sure youll see just how quick theyle come back to diablo when D3 comes out.
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Too little too late... AMD lost me for the better chipmaker in 2008 and isn't showing any desire to get me back.
Wait, so if Bulldozer destroys Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, it'll still be too little considering you have a Q6600 which matches a poorly OCing Phenom II such as mine and going from the name of your sig rig, I'm assuming you're upgrading some time this year?

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What I meant:

Too little information, too late to "the game." Kind of like Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2; lost interest in both with so many years of waiting. You can only keep your customers waiting for so long until they decide to go elsewhere.
I'm fairly sure Conroe was hyped up longer by Intel...And Nehalem for that matter, with the massive die they made of Nehalem on the 386s node.

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Respect your opinion and that you don't go crazy about something when it's first announced like some do (I do) but in response to the bold I guess my view is:

Really? so if a game has been in development for like 5 or more years and its tech and features are outdated by the time it releases, you're still going to be drooling over it? I'm a huge fan of the Source engine and its titles, but that's a different case where Source has constantly received updates through the years and it's an engine, not a game.

Duke Nukem Forever being a good example, longest game in production ever. In its defense, it has been totally wiped and redone multiple times I believe and I still have interest in it only because of that fact.
But if it's still a fun game, why should it matter that you've been waiting years? Every bit of hype I'd lost for DNF came back when they released that trailer of Duke playing it for me at least.

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o.O Yes they are... Where'd you get YOUR info from? You just won't get all the extra features that come with the AM3+ architecture. o_O
He got his info from JF-AMD who has given us heaps of first-hand information about BD before, such as the cache sizes and I remember confirming that Bulldozer would apparently be too gimped to work in AM3.
    
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Wait, so if Bulldozer destroys Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, it'll still be too little considering you have a Q6600 which matches a poorly OCing Phenom II such as mine and going from the name of your sig rig, I'm assuming you're upgrading some time this year?
I doubt it will, but I am open to the possibility. And yes, I will be going for a new build later this year, closer to BF3's release. I named my build 2008-2011 because I "expected" it to last me that long. I had an E8400 + 8800GTS and upgraded to a Q6600 + 4870X2 last year. I'm moving to new place in July and have some expenses to worry about right now, else I would have ordered a 2600k + 580 by now. I'm hoping around August or September I'll grab whatever is out at that time with the best value and performance. I've been jumping between AMD and Intel for each build. AMD K6 to Pentium 4 to AMD 64 3200+ to E8400. If Bulldozer proves me wrong I'll go with it but I feel Intel is going to be remaining ahead.

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I'm fairly sure Conroe was hyped up longer by Intel...And Nehalem for that matter, with the massive die they made of Nehalem on the 386s node.
Biased experience in my situation; I wasn't into hardware in 2008 as much as I am now so Intel's Conroe hype years ago isn't the same as AMD's Bulldozer hype today. I didn't really know much about Wolfdale until January 2008 JUST when I randomly decided I wanted a new PC. I literally ordered the E8400 the day it went on sale on Newegg, learning about it only days before.

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But if it's still a fun game, why should it matter that you've been waiting years? Every bit of hype I'd lost for DNF came back when they released that trailer of Duke playing it for me at least.
When I've been waiting 10 years for a game, I expect it to be jaw dropping amazing. Starcraft 2 wasn't, IMO of course, and neither will Diablo 3. I played SC2 off my friend's account and I feel it offers too little over SC1. It's that tiny gap kind of like the gap between Modern Warfare 1 and Modern Warfare 2.

Again it's all my opinion and I acknowledge that; I just have my reasons.
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^^
Yeah, if they announced KotOR3 tomorrow and released it in 10 years, I'd still be happy as hell to buy it then, lol.
As you say though, this is all about personal opinion so I'll leave it at that.
 
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