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I'm currently in an argument with someone and they're saying L3 cache makes so little a difference, in games, it isn't worth it.
How much of a difference does it really make in games?

Essentially, Athlon II's vs Phenom II's
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I'm currently in an argument with someone and they're saying L3 cache makes so little a difference, in games, it isn't worth it.
How much of a difference does it really make in games?

Essentially, Athlon II's vs Phenom II's

For gaming it makes very little difference. Here is a few bench mark charts showing the comparison

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/athlon-l3-cache,2416-6.html
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Alright, thanks smile.gif
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post #4 of 9
Mind you, this doesn't apply if the CPU without the L3 has a bigger L2, than the one with the L3.

L2 is faster.
post #5 of 9
In games it won't make too much of a difference. Keep in mind Phenom II and Athlon II are different architectures. I'm not sure what the performance difference would be like if you compared the same CPU with and without L3 cache.
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Maybe someone with an unlocked Athlon II can test this? smile.gif
Bench stock vs unlocked, that is.
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post #7 of 9
I would run it but i only have onboard graphics ATM, this computer is not used for gaming frown.gif
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There really isn't a big difference when it comes to gaming. Although, the Phenom IIs can overclock much higher compared to their Athlon II counterparts. Phenom IIs hit 4ghz-4.2ghz, while the Athlon IIs hit 3.4gz-3.6ghz.
    
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Depending on the game, its anywhere from 5% to 15%. The performance gap will be larger as the load sways more on the CPU. If you're running lower resolutions and detail settings, the Phenom II will start to break away from the Athlon II significantly. If you're running high resolutions, detail settings, etc. and applying as much load on the GPU as possible, the difference will be closer to 5% or so depending on the game.

Scroll to the bottom to see the game performance difference clock for clock.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/105?vs=81
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