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Tonight I bought my first used receiver. I looked around for a few weeks for an Onkyo, Harmon Kardon, Marantz, Denon that seemed like the way to go but it was eventually a Yamaha that seemed like the best for my budget of what was available here in Toronto. It's a Yamaha R-1000 that has gotten some good comments on forums and this one absolutely looks like it's just been taken out of the box and works perfectly.

2 things I wasn't familiar with: #1, the pre-main coupler button. Apparently I had this button turned off(?) which meant the speakers weren't making any noise regardless of where the volume control was. #2, The volume is graded in negative decibels so that the lower the number the higher the volume.

I thought I had my speakers turned really low as I hooked them up, experimented with the buttons and eventually pressed the pre-main coupler. Actually I had the thing cranked on a 100W receiver and these speakers made a sound like a crack of Lightning that scared the crap out of me and pissed off my roommate. That cat is still under the couch.

It's funny except I hope I didn't blow the tweeters out of these things. I bought the speakers (Audioengine A4's P4's) on reviews and had never heard them to know what they're supposed to sound like. I feel the woofers vibrating but not the tweeters. Should the tweeters vibrate as well?

How can I tell if the tweeters are working?


Edited by BillOhio - 3/24/11 at 10:45am
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post #2 of 30
aren't the audioengine a4 (a5?) powered speakers? you should NEVER EVER connect powered speakers to a receiver. the speakers themselves already have an amplifier and you don't need to send an amplified signal through your receiver to your speakers. you're going to kill them.

also, you can't feel the tweeter moving. 1000hz+ is really high frequency that you can't see, nor feel, but you can hear it. if you feel like your music is missing a chunk of frequency range (and it happens to be the high end) then you're tweeter is shot. otherwise, you should be fine.
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P4's sorry... I'd been looking at the A5's for a long time. Anyway, they do still sound good to me but these are my first 'audiophile' grade speakers and just the woofers would probably still sound better than my $50 Logitech's.

I can't turn them up in this apartment so late at night but the tweeter not vibrating scared me a little. It sounds like I'm probably all right which is a relief.

I'm looking forward to pushing the volume up tomorrow afternoon. Thanks for the response. I'll sleep a little better tonight.

Also, is there any point to a soundcard if I'm using a receiver? And the RCA cable will have 1 connection on the PC end, and 2 on the receiver end, yeah?

Thanks again.
Edited by BillOhio - 3/9/11 at 10:30pm
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ah ok ic.

logitech speakers have crappy high end...you WILL know if you're missing your tweeters because your speakers won't reproduce that range and you literally won't hear that part of the music. so if you say to yourself "hey, why does this song sound so weird?" while listening to a song you know well...then you're probably missing part of the sound spectrum. otherwise, your tweeters are functioning perfectly.

getting a soundcard does help if you're doing pure analog. something has to translate the digital signal from your mp3 (flac or w/e) files...into analog signal that your speakers can reproduce into sound you can hear. this is usually done using a dac. since you're not running spdif or hdmi through your receiver...(or at least i dont think so), then your pc soundcard is the dac. if you get a better soundcard, essentially you are getting a better dac...so better sound. it's arguable if it's worth it or not..but i personally think it is. however, i would not recommend blowing too much the first time around. try something like the asus dx or something along those lines. you can use 3.5mm to rca (left and right channel) to connect pc to receiver.

you're welcome

sorry for the long response. good luck.
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you can use 3.5mm to rca (left and right channel) to connect pc to receiver.
AGh... so the guy at BestBuy was right after all

I very much appreciate the long response. I have no business spending $600+ (Canada is expensive) on audio equipment but it'd be even worse if I'd ruined the speakers before I ever got to hear them. The sound did seem just a bit off but now i'm seeing the controls for bass, treble etc. and am getting a better sound now.

Tomorrow I'll grab that cable and fire these things up a little. I'm anxious to hear what they can do.

Edit: Yeah, the volume is low but songs are sounding the same coming out of the speakers as with my buds... I think I'm OK... Whew!

Thanks again,
-Bill
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You can download some test tones to check for things like this also:
http://www.eminent-tech.com/music/multimediatest.html

Be sure to have them turned down when doing high frequency tests.
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Yeah, It's the afternoon and I'm having the chance to turn these up a little. I'm fine with the tweeters I'm sure. These things sound clean as hell too and are putting out a lot of clear sound. The only knock on them was that the bass doesn't boom and I'd say that that's accurate. The bass is definitely present but doesn't punch you in the chest. I think I may see a Dayton 120(?) down the line. I'll moving from an apt. to a house soon and I'll be happy for the chance to really open them up.
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Yeah you cannot really get any deep bass out of 3-4 inch woofers.
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Yeah, there definitely won't be a lot of bass...those speakers are only rated to 58Hz (doesn't specify if that's -3dB or whatever) and I would guess that's probably being generous. Buy a sub as soon as you can
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Quote:
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Buy a sub as soon as you can
Dear Lord where does it end... WHERE Does it It END!!!!!
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