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Hi guys, wanted to make this thread to ask some questions and hopefully get some advice from people as there seems to be lots of well informed people on this forum. (I have searched the forums for answers to my questions, but didn't think it was necessary to bump old threads)

Firstly, some history...I mainly play FPS games (UT series mostly) and have been playing for a good 8 years now. My first gaming mouse was an Mx518, which I later switched for a G5. Thought both were decent mice at the time but I didn't really know any better as I was young and new to all that stuff.

4 years ago I upgraded to the DeathAdder 1800 DPI 3g mouse. Man, what a difference it was. In my opinion, it was truly the best mouse of all time. The only issue I had was that they were extremely prone to breakages. My first one started double clicking on single clicks and the second one was plagued with the scroll wheel bug. Both of these issues seem universal with Razer mice. I still have these mice so if anyone knows how to fix either of the issues I would be more than grateful.

Anyway, after the second DA broke I decided to buy a third around last October baaasmiley.gif To my disppointment, I saw that the 1800 DPI DeathAdder was no longer available, and that Razer had instead introduced the 3500 Respawn with a 3.5g sensor. I assumed it would be the same if not better than the original so bought it.

Long story short, I didn't like it at all. I dislike plastic mats and the new sensor has some jitter on my black cloth pads - not only that but it generally feels different and less precise than the original sensor. I emailed Razer, searched online and asked people where I could purchase an original DA - unfortunately with no success.

I decided to buy a SteelSeries Xai last week instead, after seeing good reviews (despite accel issues). It's a decent mouse, feels good and has some cool features, but....

I just can't seem to get used to it at all, feels like it tracks completely different to the DA. When I tried my old Mx518/G5 I also had this feeling. Just feels clumsy and that I don't have full control. I read on forums people saying that once you have used a DA for as long as I have, it is very very hard to adapt to another mouse. Could this be down to the Infared sensor that the DA uses? I just can't seem to go back to other types of sensors it seems. Shame because the Xai is pretty good.

I'm a very low sensitivity gamer and the Xai sometimes locks out when lifting it up in the air whereas the DeathAdder seemed to be tailored specifically for low sens users. For a cloth pad I'm using a Roccat sense and my plastic mat is a Razer eXact mat.

I have recently purchased a DeathAdder Black Edition just in the hope that it will feel good, even though the laser is identical to the respawn. I've also bought a SteelSeries QcK (medium size) to go with it. So ultimately my final question is in what ways could I make the DA BE feel more like the 1800 original tracking wise? Just set the DPI and polling rate to the same as I had on my original?

Worst decision Razer ever made was changing the sensor from the original which was IMO the best gaming mouse ever.

Sorry for wall of text, hope some people have some stuff to input.
Edited by tom2k11 - 3/10/11 at 6:18am
post #2 of 50
Its all in your mind, there shouldn't be any problems with the new DA sensor
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How long have you used the Xai before deciding you couldn't get used to it?

I thought it felt a bit weird the first month of using mine too, and on a cloth bad I think it skips every once in a while, but I'm not sure if thats in my head. I plan on buying a hard mouse pad eventually anyway but it works great in games.

As for locking out when you lift it up, what do you mean by this? It's designed to have a low lift off distance so you can lift it and reposition it without the pointer moving much.

Anyway I've used it for a couple months now and I find it hard using anything other then the Xai. Even my G5 and MX518 which I used for a long time I find weird to use now, especially the MX518 because of the poor sensor position and tracking.
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post #4 of 50
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Thanks for the replies;
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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa;12679936 
Its all in your mind, there shouldn't be any problems with the new DA sensor

I have considered this too, however after gaming quite regularly on the original DA for ~3 years I genuinely did feel that the ReSpawn was different. There is certainly slightly more jitter on all DPI settings which I tested in paint. It was fine on a plastic mouse pad though.
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Originally Posted by james_ant 
How long have you used the Xai before deciding you couldn't get used to it?
Not long at all really, I am quite impatient but I really felt like I prefer the DA, even with the jitter on my cloth pad
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Originally Posted by james_ant 
As for locking out when you lift it up, what do you mean by this? It's designed to have a low lift off distance so you can lift it and reposition it without the pointer moving much.
This doesn't happen often, maybe once an hour but still quite annoying. What I mean is when I reposition the mouse on the pad after lifting it, the sensor is still 'switched off' even though my mouse is back on the pad and is being moved again.

I do agree though, I think sometimes you can get into issues too much and it becomes more of a thing in your head, but I really feel like the Xai tracks completely different than the DA
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Originally Posted by tom2k11;12680083 
Thanks for the replies;

I have considered this too, however after gaming quite regularly on the original DA for ~3 years I genuinely did feel that the ReSpawn was different. There is certainly slightly more jitter on all DPI settings which I tested in paint. It was fine on a plastic mouse pad though.



What firmware are you on?
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especially the MX518 because of the poor sensor position and tracking.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Mx518= dead center, G500= Awkward and poor.

Tracking wise it indeed does lack DPI, but it can hold higher perfect control rates in comparison to your Xai on cloth surfaces.
Edited by Skylit - 3/10/11 at 7:22am
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Firmware is 2.44

One thing I have noticed is that on the Razer driver download page there is no firmware available for the black edition, only a driver. Unless you must download the 3500 Respawn firmware even though you are using a black edition?
Edited by tom2k11 - 3/10/11 at 7:03am
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Did you consider that you should get a new mousepad, like a hard plastic? Some mousepads will make som mice jitter. My Deathadder Black Edition works FLAWLESS on my steelseries 4hd
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Originally Posted by tom2k11;12680112 
Firmware is 2.44

One thing I have noticed is that on the Razer driver download page there is no firmware available for the black edition, only a driver. Unless you must download the 3500 Respawn firmware even though you are using a black edition?

It comes with it's own firmware v1.00, although I don't experience jitter on my pads.

It's possible v2.44 causes jitter but I don't have a regular DA3.5G to test that theory. Last stable release I've used and am aware of is 2.41 being perfectly fine without issues on a QcK/Talent.

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Worst decision Razer ever made was changing the sensor from the original which was IMO the best gaming mouse ever.

I think it's more of an issue with the newer IR/lens assembly. Both sensors are made by Avago and are generally built off the same ADNS-2020 Sensor architecture.

The lift off distance seems to differ between both the Original and Respawn on some surfaces.
Edited by Skylit - 3/10/11 at 7:26am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HaiiYaa 
Did you consider that you should get a new mousepad, like a hard plastic? Some mousepads will make som mice jitter. My Deathadder Black Edition works FLAWLESS on my steelseries 4hd

I have considered this. I actually have a Razer eXact plastic pad. Whilst the jitter is diminished considerably on a plastic pad, I generally prefer the feel of a cloth pad. My mouse tends to feel 'slippy' on plastic frown.gif

Although I will definitely look into trying out the SteelSeries 4HD if the DA BE feels odd on the QcK.
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Originally Posted by Skylit 
It comes with it's own firmware v1.00, although I don't experience jitter on my pads.

Are you using the Black Edition? And what pads are you using with it? - Sorry! just read your signature lol.

So I'm assuming when my BE arrives, I just need to install the driver - the firmware it comes with is fine?
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Originally Posted by Skylit 
It's possible v2.44 causes jitter but I don't have a regular DA3.5G to test that theory. Last stable release I've used and am aware of is 2.41 being perfectly fine without issues on a QcK/Talent.
I've already ordered the BE now or I would certainly try the 2.41 firmware. I think the BE is a good upgrade anyway regardless of sensor due to the new sides.
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Originally Posted by Skylit 
I think it's more of an issue with the newer IR/lens assembly. Both sensors are made by Avago and are generally built off the same ADNS-2020 Sensor architecture.

The lift off distance seems to differ between both the Original and Respawn on some surfaces.

Yeah I'm no expert in this field, so I don't know what is different etc, so just used sensor as the generic name. There definitely is noticeable differences though as you pointed out.
Edited by tom2k11 - 3/10/11 at 7:37am
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I have a qck tooo it works great there too although i like it to be more "slippy" biggrin.gif
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