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I just got abandoned by the company that was building me the rig I have in my sig. They said they can't get any P67 boards, only one single make of H67. So that left me with only the choice of maximum 1333MHz memory, and we both agreed to cancel the order and give up.

So now I'm back to square one. I want a helluva powerful machine, but want it as small as I can manage. If anyone has suggestions for cases, variants of processors and motherboards to start with, I'll take it from there.

I'm pretty sure I want an i7 2600K-3.4GHz (price vs performance is ideal) but I believe that means I can't go for a "mini" case (like a nettop). Perhaps I can go for what's commonly referred to as a shuttle / cube case. ( ?? ). Here's what I (think I) want/need:

- Intel i7 2600K-3.4GHz (would I be happy with an 2600S ?)
- 16GB of memory (preferrably 1600MHz or higher, or would I be satisified with 1333MHz?)
- Only need one SATA600 drive internally, and that'll be an SSD that I already possess
- Single optical drive (BluRay(r),DVD(rw),CD(rw) combo
- I could probably manage without a graphics card and use the onboard graphics on the processor (only if I have an H67 mobo I believe)
- If I do need a graphics card, then a HD 5750 Passive
- USB 3.0 (a couple of ports is enough)
- WiFi internal (no dongle)
- Gigabit LAN
- A bunch of USB 2.0 ports also

Could that be crammed into a small case? I think the lack of multiple HDDs and a passive graphics card will keep the noise and heat down, and only one optical drive too.

Also, does anyone know of a company that can build it IN GERMANY ? It has to be in Germany.
    
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Originally Posted by d4005;12680788 
I just got abandoned by the company that was building me the rig I have in my sig. They said they can't get any P67 boards, only one single make of H67. So that left me with only the choice of maximum 1333MHz memory, and we both agreed to cancel the order and give up.

So now I'm back to square one. I want a helluva powerful machine, but want it as small as I can manage. If anyone has suggestions for cases, variants of processors and motherboards to start with, I'll take it from there.

I'm pretty sure I want an i7 2600K-3.4GHz (price vs performance is ideal) but I believe that means I can't go for a "mini" case (like a nettop). Perhaps I can go for what's commonly referred to as a shuttle / cube case. ( ?? ). Here's what I (think I) want/need:

- Intel i7 2600K-3.4GHz (would I be happy with an 2600S ?)
- 16GB of memory (preferrably 1600MHz or higher, or would I be satisified with 1333MHz?)
- Only need one SATA600 drive internally, and that'll be an SSD that I already possess
- Single optical drive (BluRay(r),DVD(rw),CD(rw) combo
- I could probably manage without a graphics card and use the onboard graphics on the processor (only if I have an H67 mobo I believe)
- If I do need a graphics card, then a HD 5750 Passive
- USB 3.0 (a couple of ports is enough)
- WiFi internal (no dongle)
- Gigabit LAN
- A bunch of USB 2.0 ports also

Could that be crammed into a small case? I think the lack of multiple HDDs and a passive graphics card will keep the noise and heat down, and only one optical drive too.

Also, does anyone know of a company that can build it IN GERMANY ? It has to be in Germany.

best advice i have is wait like 2 weeks, and your build company will have access to the motherboards...
    
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Originally Posted by Sohryu76;12680823 
best advice i have is wait like 2 weeks, and your build company will have access to the motherboards...
Yeah, that's pretty much what they were saying (except for them not mentioning a few weeks). They were saying they can't get anything except one specific H67 board, which I think I don't want.

I'm hoping this thread will help me build up my ideal shopping list which I'll try again to get them to build around the end of the month.
    
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Here are some questions:

How soon do you need/want it?
(new revision chipsets are trickling out, plus Z68 chipset will be out in a few months)

What are you using it for?
(Since you mentioned integrated graphics, assuming non-gamer. 16GB RAM? That will rule out ITX motherboards since they only have two RAM slots)

How "small" do you need it to be?
(ITX can be pretty small, plus micro ATX can still be significantly smaller than an ATX tower)
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Originally Posted by Zap;12686103 
How soon do you need/want it?
(new revision chipsets are trickling out, plus Z68 chipset will be out in a few months)
I've already ruled out getting it in March. My current plan is to gather info on what it is I want for the rest of this month. So, in 2-3 weeks I'll have my spec and will try and order.
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What are you using it for?
(Since you mentioned integrated graphics, assuming non-gamer. 16GB RAM? That will rule out ITX motherboards since they only have two RAM slots)
Software development, which includes running a few memory hungry apps (IDE, http proxies and multiple browsers). The biggest memory hog will be MS Virtual PC for which I plan to have 3 virtual machines open (totalling about 6GB just for these). I will also make a 4GB RAM Disk.
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How "small" do you need it to be?
(ITX can be pretty small, plus micro ATX can still be significantly smaller than an ATX tower)
There's no specific requirement, I just want it as small as I can achieve, without sacrificing performance and quietness. I would LOVE it to be a mini size (like a nettop) but I know that won't happen. The next size up is cube/shuttle, but with the processor and amount of memory I want, I think they're ruled out too. So I'm left with a mini-tower (small tower) being the only option. I'll almost certainly need an ATX size. I don't think I can even get a microATX, but if I could that'd be great.
    
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Originally Posted by d4005;12703918 
There's no specific requirement, I just want it as small as I can achieve, without sacrificing performance and quietness. I would LOVE it to be a mini size (like a nettop) but I know that won't happen. The next size up is cube/shuttle, but with the processor and amount of memory I want, I think they're ruled out too. So I'm left with a mini-tower (small tower) being the only option. I'll almost certainly need an ATX size. I don't think I can even get a microATX, but if I could that'd be great.

I'm sure you could get a mATX, lots of them have 4 memory slots. I'm not really sure of what's best in that market at the moment though, so I'll leave it to others to recommend specific models!
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Originally Posted by d4005;12703918 
There's no specific requirement, I just want it as small as I can achieve, without sacrificing performance and quietness.

Got it! You need to go micro ATX because mini ITX only has 2 RAM slots, thus effectively limiting you at this time to 8GB RAM. Here are a few suggestions. Unfortunately I don't know what's available to you in Germany so it may or may not be of help.

Micro ATX H67 motherboard - probably any that has USB 3.0 will do. Most will probably have gigabit Ethernet already. Not sure you'll find any with WiFi built in like some mini ITX boards, so you may have to go with a WiFi adapter. I know you said you don't want an external dongle, but I would suggest something like this because you can reposition it for best signal.

Any Sandy Bridge quad will do, no need for K versions unless you think you will benefit from twice the graphics cores. Does Hyperthreading help with VMs? If so then a Core i7 quad as you originally specified. The K version just gives better IGP and overclocking (which you won't be doing).

Four 4GB DDR3 RAM modules. Make sure they are 1.5v or less and at least 1333MHz data rate, but otherwise anything will be fine.

Case/PSU is a bit more tricky. You can always play it safe and get a mini tower. Something like the Antec NSK3480 makes for a quiet system, but really just about anything will work as long as you have slow enough fans and a quiet PSU. My pick would be this case (available in black and black/red, branded as Xion or Auzentech) with this PSU (also sold as Silverstone and Fractal Designs with their ITX cases). The PSU is efficient and quiet, plus the fan does not protrude (which is important in the case I linked). A system in this case with this PSU can be really quiet. I've already built two like that.
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The only thing not currently doable with Mini-ITX is 16GB RAM. Even heat dissipation of the i7-2600K shouldn't be an issue if you go with a cube case (e.g. Silverstone SG-05/06) or mini tower (e.g. Lian Li PC-Q07/Q08). It's not as if you'll be able to overclock it, anyway.

Since you're going microATX, you can pretty much go with any case that catches your fancy. Perhaps just stick to major brands like Antec, Cooler Master, Thermaltake, Lian Li, etc. Some cheap cases use thinner steel which isn't good for noise damping. Make sure to go with cases that use 120mm fans or bigger. An 80mm fan would need to run at a faster speed thereby generating more noise in order to deliver the same cooling capacity as a low RPM 120mm fan.
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Originally Posted by Zap;12704382 
Got it! You need to go micro ATX because mini ITX only has 2 RAM slots, thus effectively limiting you at this time to 8GB RAM. Here are a few suggestions. Unfortunately I don't know what's available to you in Germany so it may or may not be of help.

Micro ATX H67 motherboard - probably any that has USB 3.0 will do. Most will probably have gigabit Ethernet already. Not sure you'll find any with WiFi built in like some mini ITX boards, so you may have to go with a WiFi adapter. I know you said you don't want an external dongle, but I would suggest something like this because you can reposition it for best signal.

Any Sandy Bridge quad will do, no need for K versions unless you think you will benefit from twice the graphics cores. Does Hyperthreading help with VMs? If so then a Core i7 quad as you originally specified. The K version just gives better IGP and overclocking (which you won't be doing).

Four 4GB DDR3 RAM modules. Make sure they are 1.5v or less and at least 1333MHz data rate, but otherwise anything will be fine.

Case/PSU is a bit more tricky. You can always play it safe and get a mini tower. Something like the Antec NSK3480 makes for a quiet system, but really just about anything will work as long as you have slow enough fans and a quiet PSU. My pick would be this case (available in black and black/red, branded as Xion or Auzentech) with this PSU (also sold as Silverstone and Fractal Designs with their ITX cases). The PSU is efficient and quiet, plus the fan does not protrude (which is important in the case I linked). A system in this case with this PSU can be really quiet. I've already built two like that.
Case and PSU (and wireless) noted and bookmarked wink.gif
Although I don't plan to overclock it initially - I'd like it to live a good 18 months without OC'ing. Towards the end of next year though, when I'll feel the urge for a bit more, I'll consider overclocking it at that time. I might also overclock in stages, bumping it up every few months. I'm not sure. But I don't want to make the mistake of having no overclocking route at all, which is what would happen if I didn't get the "K" and also what would happen if I got a H67 motherboard too. Plus the fact that H67 boards only accept memory up to 1333MHz. Considering that 1600MHz memory is actually cheaper than 1333MHz right now, I definitely wouldn't consider settling for 1333.

So I'll want the i7 2600K and a P67 board for future overclocking possibilities (without having to buy any new hardware).
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Originally Posted by rui-no-onna;12704847 
The only thing not currently doable with Mini-ITX is 16GB RAM. Even heat dissipation of the i7-2600K shouldn't be an issue if you go with a cube case (e.g. Silverstone SG-05/06) or mini tower (e.g. Lian Li PC-Q07/Q08). It's not as if you'll be able to overclock it, anyway.

Since you're going microATX, you can pretty much go with any case that catches your fancy. Perhaps just stick to major brands like Antec, Cooler Master, Thermaltake, Lian Li, etc. Some cheap cases use thinner steel which isn't good for noise damping. Make sure to go with cases that use 120mm fans or bigger. An 80mm fan would need to run at a faster speed thereby generating more noise in order to deliver the same cooling capacity as a low RPM 120mm fan.
Cases and fan advice noted wink.gif Why do you say it's not like I'll be able to overclock it?
    
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Cases and fan advice noted wink.gif Why do you say it's not like I'll be able to overclock it?
I was talking specifically about Mini-ITX. Most M-ITX boards are H67 ergo no overclocking. Gigabyte is supposed to be planning to release a P67 board but it'll probably be a while before that comes out. I haven't even seen their H67 M-ITX board on sale yet (GA-H67N-USB3).

There's also the issue of power phases. If you look at the previous generation (LGA-1156), most M-ITX boards even have trouble supporting 95W quad-cores at stock. A lot of the boards only had 2+1 power. The Gigabyte GA-H55N-USB3 was the exception having 4+2 but even then, you're not really looking to be able to do extreme overclocks with a quad. You pretty much had to choose between getting a dual-core Clarkdale with high overclock or quad-core Lynnfield running at close to stock.

You shouldn't face any such issues with microATX. Hmm, I, myself, have been eying the Asus P8P67-M PRO for my mATX living room HTPC. It even supports SLI.

By the way, non-K chips are not completely without overclocking. They just happen to be limited in the overclocks they can achieve (+500MHz from stock clock with 4 cores active - 400MHz OC + 100MHz Turbo).
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