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Am I the only one irritated by these threads?

[thread] I have an "xyz" gpu on my "xyz" system, am I bottlenecked?[/thread]

Honestly , the real question should be:

[thread] "xyz" game is running crappy, what part of my system is the weak point?[/thread]

The truth is, if games are running fine, why do so many people sweat over whether there is a bottleneck? If you upgrade your system to get your GPU at %100 in all games, then your GPU is bottlenecked. Then what, OMG you need another GPU! That kind of thinking is just mindless, without regard to how games run in real time.

I can TWO good reasons to ask:

1: A game you play is bogging at the settings you want, and you want to know if adding a next-gen card will boost FPS, or is your CPU really the weak point. Maybe the new card won't boost FPS 'cause the CPU is limiting you.

2: You're building a system from scratch, and you have a specific performance point in mind for a specific resolution.

People just randomly wondering if they have a "bottleneck" without regard to how their games run has become really irritating to me.

/rant.
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It's like the whole mbps vs MB/s thing, some people just don't get it.
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Yup, it's dumb. It depends on the game too, my CPU bottlenecks my GPU in SC2, and then in Crysis, it's the opposite. There will always be a bottleneck.
    
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Originally Posted by 2thAche View Post
Am I the only one irritated by these threads?

[thread] I have an "xyz" gpu on my "xyz" system, am I bottlenecked?[/thread]

Honestly , the real question should be:

[thread] "xyz" game is running crappy, what part of my system is the weak point?[/thread]

The truth is, if games are running fine, why do so many people sweat over whether there is a bottleneck? If you upgrade your system to get your GPU at %100 in all games, then your GPU is bottlenecked. Then what, OMG you need another GPU! That kind of thinking is just mindless, without regard to how games run in real time.


I can TWO good reasons to ask:

1: A game you play is bogging at the settings you want, and you want to know if adding a next-gen card will boost FPS, or is your CPU really the weak point. Maybe the new card won't boost FPS 'cause the CPU is limiting you.

2: You're building a system from scratch, and you have a specific performance point in mind for a specific resolution.

People just randomly wondering if they have a "bottleneck" without regard to how their games run has become really irritating to me.

/rant.
The idea of a gpu bottleneck is ridiculous, while it is technically possible it's a non-issue and shouldn't be mentioned the same way as a cpu bottleneck. The reason a cpu bottleneck is something to watch out for while building a new system is because if you are willing to put down the cash on a high end video card setup why would you be willing to have the cards perform at only 75%(just a made up number to get my point across) of their potential power? I've said this in every post I make regarding this subject, a bottleneck in no way means unplayable and if someone is fine having their 6970 only perform as well as a 6850 in some games that's their choice. But to deny any bottlenecking is happening is just pure misinformation and can be disproved by just running gpu-z while playing any modern game.
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One of the MAIN reasons I can't wait to upgrade to the sig rig below. I have my 5850 running with an X3 720 @ 3.2 ghz and my GPU on load only uses about 60%.
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The idea of a gpu bottleneck is ridiculous, while it is technically possible it's a non-issue and shouldn't be mentioned the same way as a cpu bottleneck. The reason a cpu bottleneck is something to watch out for while building a new system is because if you are willing to put down the cash on a high end video card setup why would you be willing to have the cards perform at only 75%(just a made up number to get my point across) of their potential power? I've said this in every post I make regarding this subject, a bottleneck in no way means unplayable and if someone is fine having their 6970 only perform as well as a 6850 in some games that's their choice. But to deny any bottlenecking is happening is just pure misinformation and can be disproved by just running gpu-z while playing any modern game.
Let me give you a X1900XT gpu with your current rig and talk to me about GPU bottleneck.....

I will admit it is less likely to happen....but most with a mid to upper end CPU+Mobo's change their GPUs like they change their underwear....but GPU bottleneck does occur like CPU bottleneck...just have to research and pay attention to what you read....
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Originally Posted by soth7676 View Post
Let me give you a X1900XT gpu with your current rig and talk to me about GPU bottleneck.....

I will admit it is less likely to happen....but most with a mid to upper end CPU+Mobo's change their GPUs like they change their underwear....but GPU bottleneck does occur like CPU bottleneck...just have to research and pay attention to what you read....
The reason I say not to talk about it in the same vein as cpu bottlenecking is because while yes the cpu might not be running the game at its optimal speed but the thing is your gpu is still performing at 100% speed, yes your cpu could be running it faster but you bought the gpu knowing what its max speed should be,(or at least you should have) you are achieving exactly what you expected when it comes to gaming whereas with a cpu bottleneck you could think you are gonna get the optimal output of your videocard but you are going to get noticeable fps spikes in cpu intensive games that you wouldn't get with a better cpu.

I'm not sure I really explained myself all that well but my point is with a gpu bottleneck while you might not be using your cpu to your full potential you are still gaming at the maximum potential of your video cards which is exactly what you spent the money for rather than having your high end video cards choke because your cpu can't supply the gpu with enough information. Big difference imo. Plus a better cpu will be beneficial in all aspects of computing so it is far less of a negative than a cpu bottleneck where you're effectively wasting money on high end video cards in many games.
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The idea of computer system bottlenecks can be alleviated with one piece of advice: buy as much power as you can afford.

The only people who are concerned with the idea are those that are either a) ignorant to the issue by being perpetually exposed to misinformation, or b) too frugal or to quick to spend their money on the proper components. Everyone else who knows better need not be concerned.
     
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Bottlenecks do exist, but I get your point.
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More like they don't try to google, or even break a sweat to know where is the problem, or even at all to know their problem.
They just fire up a topic, post their system rig, and ask people to answer a thing that will most likely waste the helper's and the asker's time.
    
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