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if they made consoles upgradeable then we could all be on the same playing field or at least caught up with the latest Direct X. This is the technology age. No reason to believe that people can't learn to upgrade a graphics card in a console if the console maker makes it easily accessible to the user.

An upgradeable console is just a PC...Having upgradeability in a console defeats the purpose of a console. A console is designed for more casual gaming. All you are supposed to know, is that you buy a console, and it will work the same as all the other consoles. All you should need to do it plug it into a TV and turn it on and play. Consoles are designed for simplicity and convenience, rather than performance. When people buy consoles, they don't want to have to think about, or don't have time to think about, or don't have the money to invest in, whether they need to upgrade the RAM or the graphics card or the CPU or the power supply, updating drivers, optimizing, overclocking, installation, etc, etc etc. Otherwise, they would just get a PC.

I love my consoles and I love my PC gaming. When I want superior graphics out of a game, or if I want the ability to mod, or if I want to multitask on a single platform, or play certain exclusives, I play my PC. But If I just want to play a game and not have to worry about framerate issues, not have to upgrade my system, have a good simple to use and uniform community where me and a few friends can hop between games easily, especially since they are on a console budget, I hop on my Xbox or PS3.

They both have their advantages, I don't understand why this debate still happens...
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Agreed! Rep+
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True, however, the recommend GPU is a $249 video card. (GTX560Ti) A few people here do not have that kind of hardware. To compare PC cost to XBOX 360 cost, the XBOX wins hands down... And to play a $60 game, its not worth the cost to do just that. Many people post, "I want to build a new gaming rig", well then that thread would fit into this category... Because now you're building from the ground up...

About 6 months ago I was a extremely heavy PC gamer. (My avatar is my gaming rig) I just recently switched over, because of the cost of PC hardware... I had a room built just to game in. Its my "MAN CAVE". 7.1 audio, with in-wall speakers, the works. Now its for my XBOX 360. There are no software issues, driver conflicts, or anything else that could come up. It just works every time. Playing games is more exciting to me than investing $500 every year to play games with eye candy and incredible detail. Something has to give...and it was my wallet. I have to keep 5 PC up an running all the time.

I have a ton of gaming hardware to get rid of, however I don't have enough REP's to sell here... x52 joys sticks, Logitech G25 racing wheel... a ton of stuff to sell....
if you are playing on a console(30fps) then i have no clue why you were spending 500 a year in gpus.
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About 6 months ago I was a extremely heavy PC gamer. (My avatar is my gaming rig) I just recently switched over, because of the cost of PC hardware... I had a room built just to game in. Its my "MAN CAVE". 7.1 audio, with in-wall speakers, the works. Now its for my XBOX 360. There are no software issues, driver conflicts, or anythinf else that could come up with a PC. It just works every time. Playing games is more exciting to me than investing $500 every year to play games with eye candy and incredible detail. Something has to give...and it was my wallet. I have to keep 5 PC up an running all the time.
Same here. I've stopped playing PC games almost entirely over the past 8 months or so simply due to all the problems and cost of staying ontop of the PC gaming scene. Drivers are horrible on the AMD side especially for older cards for example. There is almost never crossfire support at first launch or at least working, constant performance kinks, and other misc problems that some games have with AMD it seems all the time. Not saying that Nvidia doesn't have it's fair share of problems either, but from person experience on AMD with my 4870x2 I've had a HORRIBLE past year or so with pc gaming thanks to them.
Not to mention, game bugs and glitches are annoying as hell. I'm so tired of them. They exist on the consoles too but nowhere near as much or serious as initial ones on the PC thanks to developers somehow missing these things in testing. Thank god I didnt bother with Dead Space 2 on the PC because the hardcore mode was broken for about a month after it came out. That would've seriously pissed me off.
Also, Windows 7 still sucks with it's audio surround sound support. I've had both Auzuntech X-Fi and ASUS audio cards and neither were able to achieve the kind of true surround sound I can get out of my PS3. It's so annoying that some games sometimes don't work in 5.1/7.1 and are forced into 2.1 because limitations within Windows audio output methods. The best work around was to buy a $100-200 receiver and optical audio out it but even then that sometimes has problems if games don't particularly agree with the drivers which happens every so often (cough Dirt 2 cough). Some people might be like what the hell are you talking about? when they read this but you'd be so surprised at some of the differences that can in audio if you play with a PS3 and the PC on the same audio setup. Some games seem to love to do 2.1 even though you have 5.1 and because audio drivers "surround sound expand 2.1 emulation" garbage, you don't really notice it until you try it directly.

Consoles have their place, and to see developers getting visuals so high up lately on such outdated and cheap hardware is great to see. Just wish that more devs would compromise a bit better between the PC and consoles so that everyone can get along, and there isn't always a "favorite" struggle between the two and who hates who more. Can't we just get along?

Anywho, end of my daily rant - I burned about the perfect amount of time typing this, I just want my new $700-900 GTX590 to play this game the way it's supposed to be played! All the nice and shiny things.

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They both have their advantages, I don't understand why this debate still happens...
agreed. There are + and - of both.
I mean, I can deal with the problems I seem to always face with PC games if it's something like Crysis 2 where there are clearly benefits.
But at the same time, I don't mind compromising FPS rates and resolution to play on the console. MLAA is bridging the gap fast AA wise.
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 3/11/11 at 1:04pm
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My pic costs over the past ten years have been very affordable. I have never built a new pc per se. I upgrade to the "bang for the buck" cpu (and mobo) every two years. In between years I upgrade the gpu. I replace the psu when I need to. Drives are cheap. I've spent less than 3000 bucks over the last decade.

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My pic costs over the past ten years have been very affordable. I have never built a new pc per se. I upgrade to the "bang for the buck" cpu (and mobo) every two years. In between years I upgrade the gpu. I replace the psu when I need to. Drives are cheap. I've spent less than 3000 bucks over the last decade.

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Exactly. You need to upgrade smart, and never start a new PC from scratch per say unless you're just getting into it. The most affordable way to do it is to leave your PC in a perpetual state of evolution if you will in order to stay ontop. But alot of people like to completely redesign instead of upgrade. Also, times have changed. When I got into computers, and I wanted the best, it costs $3k+ to build. That was a Intel Dual Core, 2 8800GTXs, sound card, ASUS Striker Extreme, and a Lian Li V1000 case with built in watercooling. Had I taken it slower, it would've been alot better because technology upgraded and reduced in price as well not to long after.
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Game looks really good to me. Can't wait to see some dx11 in action when the game is released. Multiplayer is amazing. The first crysis's multiplayer was a fail.
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Again with the $3000 PC
lol, my PC is 1.6k and it will run it fine in DX11.
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if you are playing on a console(30fps) then i have no clue why you were spending 500 a year in gpus.
Because I wasn't a console gamer until 6 months ago... I bought my last high end graphics card... GTX480..


EDIT: If you want to see my man cave, check out this link here
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Both versions look good for their respective hardware and its potential limitations. What I care about the most is how well it plays while looking pretty and if it's fun or not.
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An upgradeable console is just a PC...Having upgradeability in a console defeats the purpose of a console. A console is designed for more casual gaming. All you are supposed to know, is that you buy a console, and it will work the same as all the other consoles. All you should need to do it plug it into a TV and turn it on and play. Consoles are designed for simplicity and convenience, rather than performance. When people buy consoles, they don't want to have to think about, or don't have time to think about, or don't have the money to invest in, whether they need to upgrade the RAM or the graphics card or the CPU or the power supply, updating drivers, optimizing, overclocking, installation, etc, etc etc. Otherwise, they would just get a PC.

I love my consoles and I love my PC gaming. When I want superior graphics out of a game, or if I want the ability to mod, or if I want to multitask on a single platform, or play certain exclusives, I play my PC. But If I just want to play a game and not have to worry about framerate issues, not have to upgrade my system, have a good simple to use and uniform community where me and a few friends can hop between games easily, especially since they are on a console budget, I hop on my Xbox or PS3.

They both have their advantages, I don't understand why this debate still happens...
Sega tried it with the 32x and failed due to poor marketing and the segacd, though it could achieve 3d graphics prior to psone.

Also regarding the wii, the dolphin emulator plays the games in HD, something not possible on the original hardware.

Price differences between consoles and gaming pcs are not that much in the long run.

It is a matter of taste and whether you prefer joystick over keyboard, though consoles do not allow the latter.

But pc gamers should wait before buying the latest hardware. They are full of problems most of the time.
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