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Thank you CC!
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Between myself and ENTERPRISE this thread has been re-cleaned. Comparing this event to Chernobyl at this point is not fair and is only fearmongering; that is, if you tried to say this is as bad as that was.
I wish I could send you some Rep. Stupid stupid mod position!

I hope neither you nor Enterprise took my post a couple above as trying to say that the disaster at Fukushima is anything like Chernobyl, I was just answering someone's question.
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This is bad.. But not as bad as chernobyl, but it is really bad, no doubt.. hope they get it sorted..

We will see huuuuge economy crisis around the world if they do melt..Already now theres crap going on in the economy. A meltdown would be very sad.
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SO what did the Obaminator say?

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This is bad.. But not as bad as chernobyl, but it is really bad, no doubt.. hope they get it sorted..

We will see huuuuge economy crisis around the world if they do melt..Already now theres crap going on in the economy. A meltdown would be very sad.
A meltdown to the extent that you are thinking is not possible at this point and has been discussed.
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Obama just debunked anything reaching us.
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Can someone summarize the video, or is there a transcript? I can't watch video - at work atm.
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Obama just debunked anything reaching us.
The last thing the Govt. would want is a mass panic.

I would take anything they say with a grain of salt but do whatever makes you feel better.
    
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i posted, but i guess it was a bit rough around the edges and taken down by mods.

basically obama said that we are supporting japan as much as we can and are going to ensure recovery. radiation will not reach any US shore (alaska, hawaii, lower 48, any other US owned lands).
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This is turning into a political situation very quickly it seems. The US government it much more concerned about the situation that they are leading us to believe, not because of environmental risks, but more specifically economic risks.
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Reposting maps that were just posted by a... certain member (started to get reports about the user name so had to trash the post):





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actually i always had a time unit in mine. i specifically said during a cross-country flight (assuming about 8-10 hours)... then i did it vs an annual dose. i don't know the specifics about the actual nuclear reaction/engineering like demric does but please don't start arguing quantifying human exposure with me... also, if you're exposed to 500,000 mSv over any amount of time during your life, sorry bud, you're screwed.

also, prolonged exposure to small quantities hasn't really been studied well enough, due to various difficulties in establishing a proper cohort, to determine potential health risks. the point you brought up is actually one that's been bothering me about the news reports. they keep saying mSv, uSv, etc, but no one was giving the obviously missing /hr factor. one guy on NHK actually brought it up, but no one really payed attention to it lol.
Your post was deleted in the cleaning but you specifically stated that each person recieves ~3572mS every year. Yes technically you are stating 3572mS/year, but this logic of comparing 3572mS to the exposure given in a day or a week just simply isn't valid. It is extremely misleading to say see 200mS isn't actually that much because we get 3600mS in a year. I'm being facetious in my slight oversimplification of your statement, but saying a number per year is by itself misleading to the general public who doesn't think of how the units really work. It's always been an issue of mine to simplify units or to compare quantities when the units aren't the same. 9.7mS/day vs. 200mS/min (I'm simplifiying to a 1min exposure) is an effective rate of 288,000mS/day. (200ms/min *60min/hr*24hr/day=288,000). No, they weren't exposed to 288,000mS and no they weren't exposed for a full day, but it finally gives a real hint at the level of radiation they actually recieved. The effective rate of radiation is much more important than the actual dose. Like I had stated with my 500,000mS example: 500,000mS is normal for a person that lives for 136 years. My example is a little high, but it is still valid.

What's really scary (and I am not saying that this is Chernobyl-like, because at this stage it isn't) is that the effective rate of radiation is 29,690x higher (288,000/9.7) than standard for a 1 minute exposure. If the exposure to the individual was longer than 1 minute, then the effective exposure is much lower.


I didn't mean to specifically offend you and thinking back you did state per hour, I just didn't see it when I was looking for the last person that gave mS rather than a mS/time.
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