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Guys....are we screwed or not?
You are unquestionably going to die. Of course this was true even before the Earthquake in Japan.
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Chernobyl is not Fukushima. They are completly different situations. Both are catagorized as lvl 7 and for different reasons. Fukushima will end up being a bigger overall disaster than Chernobyl. it will end up killing more people due to the amount of radiation and the proximity to MAJOR metropolitan areas. Fukushima has 10's of Millions within 200 miles, while Chernobyl only had 750,000-1mill close by. but the whole chernobyl=fukushima is not even a good comparison because they were different types of explosions/radiations.
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Phew...now I can relax better knowing we have nuclear physicists on OCN to dispel the lies of the International Atomic Energy Association.
x2

Interesting video I found on youtube.


Edited by [-Snake-] - 5/13/11 at 9:47pm
    
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umm, to my knowlege what happend is that the top of the reactor got blown off and 1 or 2 fuel rods with there graphite control rods, it was the graphite that was in the air. The fuel they used did melt though the floor of the reactor to a level under and formed into lava blops which didn't go down any further, thats why they called in loads of miners to dig a hole under the level were the melted fuel was and fit a cooling system but they scraped that idea and filled it will concrate.
This is indeed the case, I remember watching video of the workers digging under the building to put concrete flooring so the fuel couldn't get under the plant too far.

It it such a sad thing to watch now knowing how many died soon after or ended up getting serious diseases like cancer in their 30's-40's.


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I didn't say or imply anything about Chernobyl. Every time something is said, Chernobyl doesn't always need to be brought up. My point was about all the folks downplaying this like it was practically nothing, and couldn't possibly get any worse than it was a long time ago.
It hasn't gotten worse, weeks ago scientists said it was a level-7 disaster from the very first radiation readings. It's just that everytime somebody hears more news about it they all make it out like things continue to get worse. The truth is that as of about a week ago they've started getting more control of the cooling and radiation levels have now begun to drop in the surrounding area. Additionally they're not planning and working on new containment tanks that will hold excess water until it can be cleaned up.
Edited by lordikon - 5/13/11 at 10:44pm
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This is indeed the case, I remember watching video of the workers digging under the building to put concrete flooring so the fuel couldn't get under the plant too far.

It it such a sad thing to watch now knowing how many died soon after or ended up getting serious diseases like cancer in their 30's-40's.




It hasn't gotten worse, weeks ago scientists said it was a level-7 disaster from the very first radiation readings. It's just that everytime somebody hears more news about it they all make it out like things continue to get worse. The truth is that as of about a week ago they've started getting more control of the cooling and radiation levels have now begun to drop in the surrounding area. Additionally they're not planning and working on new containment tanks that will hold excess water until it can be cleaned up.
The situation has gotten worse since the this thread first appeared. Maybe not within the past few weeks or anything, but I don't know all the specifics. I just know if you posted anything about this turning into as big of a disaster as it has thus far, you'd be made out to look like an idiot. You know it's true if you've been following along in this thread from the start. So many "know-it-alls" teaching everyone how things like meltdowns were not possible in whatever certain scenario because blah blah...Chernobyl. That is spreading misinformation as well, wouldn't you say? I'd say overall, the general populous could care less about any of this, because they have probably been hearing the same, "Oh, it's nothing. No big deal." attitude all over the place.
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x2

Interesting video I found on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB5GPud2KAU
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The situation has gotten worse since the this thread first appeared. Maybe not within the past few weeks or anything, but I don't know all the specifics. I just know if you posted anything about this turning into as big of a disaster as it has thus far, you'd be made out to look like an idiot. You know it's true if you've been following along in this thread from the start. So many "know-it-alls" teaching everyone how things like meltdowns were not possible in whatever certain scenario because blah blah...Chernobyl. That is spreading misinformation as well, wouldn't you say? I'd say overall, the general populous could care less about any of this, because they have probably been hearing the same, "Oh, it's nothing. No big deal." attitude all over the place.
I talked to a guy in sandiego california that bought a geiger counter after it happened. He's getting readings ranging from 4.5 to 11 times normal background reading. It used to come in on wind patterns but is pretty steady now. Not a danger yet If I was healthy I'd walk around that without freaking out but that's just 2 months to turn california into a low level radiation hazard. You have 2 mountain ranges. When you get that configuration, you make a dessert because the air has trouble bringing moisture over both mountain ranges. So the mountain ranges in california buffer the rest of the US but for how long I don't know. The dessert area in nevada and new mexico and such are pretty safe because not enough rainfall to pull it out of the air and colorado river should stay pretty clean for quite a while.

But it keeps belching out the radiation and people focus on wind patterns but it's in the ocean water and nobody is even modeling an ocean movement of it.
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Latest update. The radiation is so high it can't be read with a Geiger counter. Sorry if it sounds alarmist.

On May 13, 2 Sieverts per hour detected in No. 1 reactor building, exceeding 1,000 millisieverts per hour — Levels too high for Geiger counter to measure. Radiation exposure in No. 1 building would be so high workers could not re-enter area for “several years”. Are we talking years...or DECADES???

http://enenews.com/officials-radiati...-several-years

http://enenews.com/radiation-unit-1-...unable-measure

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Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry on July 11 on the second floor of Unit 1 nuclear reactor Hukushima first TEPCO announced that it has measured high levels of radioactive material exceeding 1000 mSv per hour.
“Highly dangerous” levels of radiation detected in No. 3 reactor building of 49 to 120 millisieverts per hour. No one can enter the building.

http://enenews.com/highly-dangerous-...unt-from-april

Uncontrolled nuclear chain reactions” may be coming from melted fuel in No. 1 reactor
http://enenews.com/iaea-melted-fuel-...ions-bloomberg

It is a fact that nuclear fuel melted a hole through Reactor No. 1
http://enenews.com/govt-official-fac...lted-reactor-1


Nuclear fuel has melted in three reactors” — Risk of “massive radioactive release”

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Nuclear fuel has melted in three reactors at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant and fallen to the lower sections of their container vessels, raising the specter of overheated material compromising a container and causing a massive radiation release, the Atomic Energy Society of Japan said in a report released on Friday…

Melted fuel rod fragments have sunk to the bottoms of three reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 power plant and could theoretically burn through the pressure vessels if emergency water-pumping operations are seriously disrupted, the Atomic Energy Society of Japan said Friday.

If too many of the melted fuel fragments puddle at the bottom, they can generate enough concentrated heat to bore a hole in the pressure vessel, which would result in a massive radioactive release to the environment. …
http://enenews.com/japan-report-fuel...active-release

And you need to realize how serious this is...

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Experts have warned of a potentially dangerous radiation leak if Japan proceeds with plans to flood a damaged reactor containment vessel at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. [...]

Greenpeace has urged Tepco to abandon plans to flood the container with water, given the likelihood that melted fuel has damaged it. Shaun Burnie, nuclear adviser to Greenpeace Germany, said: “Flooding a reactor that has fuel [that has fallen] through the pressure vessel is not a good idea.”

Outlining a worst-case scenario, Burnie said very large amounts of cold water hitting the melted fuel could cause an explosion, trigger substantial damage to the reactor and create a “high risk of atmospheric release running for days, if not weeks.” He added: “I think [the flooding option] will now be scrapped.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ooding-warning
Edited by aweir - 5/15/11 at 12:48am
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Seen on the news yesterday that they are going to try and apply a tarp that is made out those suits to cover the buildings containing the reactors from particles escaping also they stated atleast 30 years to start the clean up.
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