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3 nuclear reactors melted down after quake, Japan confirms
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...html?hpt=hp_t2


for all the people out there that believed the main stream news and didn't want to admit this, here you go.

"no , your a fear monger they didnt meltdown."

They are still smoking to this day....

U.S. Has yet to release official radiation numbers from the drones, and we have radiation flying around the plant and background radiation is set to double or triple because of this.

100s of times safe levels found in us milk, and the epa raises safe radiation levels. But i bet most of you weren't aware of any of this huh?


But hey, its no big deal.

The new age , gota love em.

I SHOULD PULL UP CLIPS FROM YOUTUBE, ON THE MAIN STREAM PROPAGANDA.

"no word of offical meltdown"
"appears situation is under control"
"1 may have melted down"
"prevented reactor from melting down"

than the war in Libya started and this disappeared from the news.

Maybe this will help people understand how the real world works and they will stop being so dang gullible.

But than again, maybe no one cares about this new article and they dont understand how huge this announcement is. Anyway its the past its all forgotten now, just like everything else.
The wars , broken econ, etc.....

I can play you video clips of Obama saying we were only gonna be in Libya for 2 weeks, and a "no fly zone"

Guess what, we are gonna be over there all the way into next year.
Good job guys, good job.

Morons.....
Turismo good to see your back spouting your special brand of crazy and you know everything we don't and we're all idiots. If you're going to claim something like this:

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"100s of times safe levels found in us milk, and the epa raises safe radiation levels. But i bet most of you weren't aware of any of this huh?"
please provide a source rather than just spam something you found on an conspiracy website that's only source is its own tinfoil-hat-wearing writers/bloggers.

And there's a reason you don't go over an make specious claims like full-blown meltdown, a New Chernobyl, and etc. You check your facts and confirm what information's been released and whether it's reliable. Furthermore you can speculate whether something's happened or not but if someone who was screaming "MELTDOWN MELTDOWN MELTDOWN" and it turned out they were wrong you never hear them say "My bad I was wrong and sewing panic." You do however never hear the end of their self-satisfied pride in wildly speculating that there was indeed a meltdown.
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3 nuclear reactors melted down after quake, Japan confirms
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...html?hpt=hp_t2


for all the people out there that believed the main stream news and didn't want to admit this, here you go.
Of course we weren't getting the truth, when do we? Also, if the Government told the people the truth about what's going on in the world, do you think people will still be calm about life, or stressed out hiding in fear?

Do the public need to know the real risks of what we face? Yes.
But most people can't handle the truth, flying off the deep end, taking millions of people with them.
Try to contain 300 million fearful Americans. Perception of fear is greater than the reality of it.
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I'm pretty sure at least some of those reactors that did experience meltdown contained a radioactive element other than iodine 131.... I'm pretty sure one was an isotope of plutonium, which is more dangerous and has significantly more half-time. It's been awhile since I've heard of this, so excuse me if my memory's fuzzy. This means that the west coast of NA may have already been affected by radiation, or is the worst yet to come?
Edited by xd_1771 - 6/6/11 at 11:54pm
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I'm pretty sure at least some of those reactors that did experience meltdown contained a radioactive element other than iodine 131.... I'm pretty sure one was plutonium, which is more dangerous and has significantly more half-time. The west coast of NA may have already been affected by radiation, or is the worst yet to come?
Cesium-137 is the other isotope. It has a half-life of roughly 30 years and will be the principal source of radiation and contamination around the Fukushima reactor for the foreseeable future. However, you need to look at the total amount of nuclear materials released into the atmosphere and surrounding area. For the Fukushima Daiichi complex they have revised the amount released up to 850,000 terabecquerels. Compared that to the Chernobyl disaster which released 5.2 million terabecquerels. It's still a massive amount of materials released into the environment but it's 1/6 the scale of Chernobyl.

Oh and yes the small amounts of radiation that the US saw several months ago is pretty much all we're every going to see from it.
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heh....

sorry i dont watch cnn and come to these forums to bash on people i dont agree with. i show emotion because iam a lil more educated in the matter. I hope these sources are good enough for you......

Sources on radiation in us milk
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42348512...found-us-milk/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...749626458.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ationwide.html
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation...n-1353795.html


Radiation in rainwater
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_841188.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4595729/c...or-radiation-/

I could really post non stop , 1000s of news articles.

Its very simple

Go to google.com
and click on the news tab
Edited by finalturismo - 6/7/11 at 12:26am
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Turismo good to see your back spouting your special brand of crazy and you know everything we don't and we're all idiots. If you're going to claim something like this:



please provide a source rather than just spam something you found on an conspiracy website that's only source is its own tinfoil-hat-wearing writers/bloggers.

And there's a reason you don't go over an make specious claims like full-blown meltdown, a New Chernobyl, and etc. You check your facts and confirm what information's been released and whether it's reliable. Furthermore you can speculate whether something's happened or not but if someone who was screaming "MELTDOWN MELTDOWN MELTDOWN" and it turned out they were wrong you never hear them say "My bad I was wrong and sewing panic." You do however never hear the end of their self-satisfied pride in wildly speculating that there was indeed a meltdown.
Nice generalize people who care about the truth in this crazy world as tin foil hat wearers Skeptics who think we live in a Disney world where govt and media dont lie and care about the regular people are the reason we are in such sad state right now. why do u types always ask for a reliable source? what is this nowadays? ...are these the sources u want proven liars like bbc cnn fox msnbc skynews dailymail etc? u know thats who u think is a reliable source admit it I mean this is not a forum of stupid people use some common sense step back and look whats happened around the world in the last few years. Im sure u believe were peacekeepin in Lybia, Iraq, and Afganistan and that the oil magically disappeared from the gulf like stated everyday in the MSM Im sure they report radiation is magically gone in a few weeks its becoming so predictable

Back on topic which reactor had the mox fuel in it? What is the implication regarding this?
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heh....

sorry i dont watch cnn and coming to these forums to bash on people i dont agree with. i show emotion because iam a lil more educated in the matter. I hope these sources are good enough for you......

Sources on radiation in us milk
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42348512...found-us-milk/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...749626458.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ationwide.html
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation...n-1353795.html


Radiation in rainwater
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_841188.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4595729/c...or-radiation-/

I could really post non stop , 1000s of news articles.

Its very simple

Go to google.com
and click on the news tab

Its like telling someone there is a white wall in front of them, and they insist its black not white.

Some things just arnt for everyone to know, i learned that in the army.
As I've said in this thread several times: "If you're going to claim something back it up with reputable sources."

And I say that because too many people will take everything in the thread at face value and WILL NOT go to try find other sources to verify it.

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Originally Posted by Ironcobra View Post
Nice generalize people who care about the truth in this crazy world as tin foil hat wearers Skeptics who think we live in a Disney world where govt and media dont lie and care about the regular people are the reason we are in such sad state right now. why do u types always ask for a reliable source? what is this nowadays? ...are these the sources u want proven liars like bbc cnn fox msnbc skynews dailymail etc? u know thats who u think is a reliable source admit it I mean this is not a forum of stupid people use some common sense step back and look whats happened around the world in the last few years. Im sure u believe were peacekeepin in Lybia, Iraq, and Afganistan and that the oil magically disappeared from the gulf like stated everyday in the MSM Im sure they report radiation is magically gone in a few weeks its becoming so predictable

Back on topic which reactor had the mox fuel in it? What is the implication regarding this?
I generalize only about one person in this case because turismo's gone out to left field way too many times in several threads without backing up his claims. I've had to fight back against fear mongers and people spreading disinformation in this thread since the first day when someone had the great idea of posting up a radiation dispersal map that indicated everyone on the west coast was going to die.

Oh and while there are many intelligent people in this forums there are several who quite frankly are prone to panic, like pretty much all people, with subjects they don't understand. Go browse the first couple days of posts in this thread and read what some people have asked/said. The posts in regard to that radiation dispersal map are proof enough.

Reputable is official numerous sources, subject matter experts and analysts, etc. Basically if its valid information you'll quickly find it works it's way through most major news outlets and agencies. If the information can't be verified it doesn't really have any value. Speculation can be useful in regard to planning and general discussion but at the end of the day it doesn't really add anything to your understanding of an incident such as this.

And Reactor #2 was the MOX reactor.
Edited by Lampen - 6/7/11 at 12:26am
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Wow lots of big posts since i left. a few question we went over the "coffins" but now that there were full melt downs how do they clean up and precede to start making coffins in such a contaminated area? whats the half life of the materials and radiation surround the plant?
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Wow lots of big posts since i left. a few question we went over the "coffins" but now that there were full melt downs how do they clean up and precede to start making coffins in such a contaminated area? whats the half life of the materials and radiation surround the plant?
Good questions. Also how close is the water table under these reactors, i fear the worst brunt of it will be released into the oceans which is not good, there are already sharks washing up on the west coast of NA with internal bleeding.
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(news is my hobby, i research news and sources more than i visit OCN or play starcraft 2)
Its an addiction, some people do cars, some do computers.
Mine is information and fact checking.

When i wake up, i check drudge,CNN , nyt, wsj, AP, Reuters,Huntington post etc.. You probably dont even know what some of those are though. I study history non stop, and when you do this 24/7 you tend to get a specific mind set and your not that gullible anymore. But if your the avg person, you would probably disagree harshly , i know i used to be that person.



You know what you need to read, go google a book called eco science.
by Paul R. Ehrlich, Anne H. Ehrlich, John P. Holdren
In the book, john p holdren calls for sterilization, by contaminating the water.
If you dont know who he is, hes in the white house now.
But thats a conspiracy.
Just like that white wall is black.
http://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CEoQ8wIwAA

I would stay and argue back and forth with you like a moron, but i would rather get some sleep.
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