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What's all this fear-mongering nonsense about radiation being harmful?

Even Ann Coulter said a little radiation is good for you.

Just don't tell anyone that an orange will cure scurvy because you might end up in jail.
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For full article with videos and pictures go to: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=25423

All the good stuff is blocked at work.

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TEPCO has decided to entomb Reactor 1, which is confirmed in a state of full meltdown, in a sarcophagus shell to contain the high amounts of radiation that escape every day. Simulations have led experts to believe that meltdown occurred after 3.5 hours after the cooling systems stopped. While TEPCO finishes the designs for its containment structure in Japan, in the Ukraine, the Chernobyl sarcophagus is also being re-encased. The installment of the cover is a temporary emergency measure, and its ability to withstand seismic activity is unknown.

The full situation inside of Reactor 1 has not been released to the public yet, but monitoring of pressure readings inside of the RPV show that the pressure is equal to atmospheric pressure and dropping. Both Reactor 2 and Reactor 3 RPV pressure levels currently register a lower than atomospheric pressure reading.

Video inside of the plant on June 3rd, provided footage of steam forced out of the reactor that registered over 4 Sieverts. While TEPCO continues to claim the pressure levels recorded in the Containment Vessel mean that the melted core has not yet escaped all containment measures, they do admit that contaminated water continues to leak from the Containment Vessel. There is estimated to be at least one 7 centimeter hole in the CV. TEPCO has announced that they do plan to install a new pressure gauge for the CV at some point in the future, and also must replace the broken radiation detection instrument in the drywell.

Hiroaki Koide of Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute is quoted by Mainichi Shinbun as saying that the melted core of the Reactor 1 is not just out of the Reactor Pressure Vessel but out of the Containment Vessel.

From Mainichi Shinbun, Koide's comments only (5/16/2011):


小出裕章・京都大原子炉実験所助教は「電源喪失で原子炉が冷やせなくなれば、早い時期に炉心溶融に至ること は想定できていたはずだ。燃料の損傷が限定的だとしてきた東電の説明は完全に誤っていたことになる。データ の公表も遅すぎる」と指摘する。



Hiroaki Koide of Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute points out that TEPCO could have foreseen the core melt at an early stage when the cooling of the reactor stopped due to the power failure. TEPCO's assessment that the damage to the fuel was limited has turned out to be completely wrong. The disclosure of the data came too late."



東電は今回の解析で「圧力容器の損傷は大規模ではない」と説明するが、小出助教は「圧力容器は完全に破損し 、溶けた燃料が格納容器の底に穴を開け、原子炉建屋の地下に大量の汚染水が漏れ出す原因になっている」と推 定する。


According to TEPCO, the data analysis shows that damage to the RPV is not extensive. However, Koide thinks "The RPV has been completely damaged, the melted core bore a hole at the bottom of the Containment Vessel, causing the large amount of contaminated water to leak into the ground beneath the reactor building."










While the question of whether the Corium has escaped the building remains unanswered, the radiation levels inside and outside of the Reactor 1 building remain a constant enemy for workers. Beside the 4,000 mSv steam, in May readings inside of the building registered 1,000 mSv on the 2nd floor, 2,000 mSv inside the southeast double door, and it is estimated at least 3,000 tons of contaminated water had leaked into the basement by mid-May. By that point TEPCO had injected over 10,000 tons of water inside of the RPV, and the exact location of the other 7,000 tons was never produced. These are just a few of the many obstacles that face TEPCO as they attempt to keep the situation under control to be able to complete the sarcophagus construction.


How much melted fuel is at Fukushima Daiichi?







These estimates are based off of public information regarding amounts of fuel stored in Reactor 1, Reactor 2, and Reactor 3. All listed reactors are currently believed to be in a state of full-meltdown, but the actual amount of corium is likely greater than numbers used as other elements are incorporated during a meltdown.a





These estimates are based off of public information regarding amounts of fuel stored in Reactor 1, Reactor 2, and Reactor 3. All listed reactors are currently believed to be in a state of full-meltdown, but the actual amount of corium is likely greater than numbers used as other elements are incorporated during a meltdown.




The covering structure was initially designed with a steel frame and a resin-coated polyester covering, but was redesigned with concrete walls. TEPCO has not provided what information was used to determine the ability of the ground around the sarcophagus to hold the additional weight of the structure and original reactor building. There is also no mention of what would happen if the melted corium, which thought to have escaped containment, were to cause an explosion inside of the structure.






A model of the structure and cranes used to assemble it.



Construction on the concrete and steel structure will begin on June 27th, according to the latest updated plans released by TEPCO. High levels of radiation will severely limit the amount of work that can be done on-site, and will also accelerate the aging of materials used for the sarcophagus. This is one of the lessons learned from the construction of the first sarcophagus at Chernobyl, and to combat the on-site radiation, TEPCO will build many parts off-site. The utility hopes to finish prefabrication of the frame and have it shipped to the site by late July.

The sarcophagus that encases Reactor 4 at Chernobyl was also constructed in haste, and is currently in an desperate need of repair. The greatest problems with the Chernobyl sarcophagus is its lack of stability, which will be a even greater problem at Fukushima Daiichi.

The assembly process is to be primarily accomplished by remotely controlled cranes and other automated vehicles, in order to limit the amount of radiation workers are exposed to. This is the plan at least, at Chernobyl initially robotic equipment was used to try and clear debris from the roof and around the damaged reactor, but the high levels of radiation caused all the equipment to fail. This forced the Soviet Government to send in over 500,000 bio-robots from all around the Soviet Union.



The cranes to be used at Fukushima Daiichi are capable of transporting over 750 tons per load, but even the largest cranes in Japan can be rendered scrap if the wiring and electrical components are compromised by radiation. To connect the frame, TEPCO developed a new connection part to try and create a functional fitting connection to keep the workers from entering the assembling area as little as possible.






A diagram of the newly designed connection parts for the structure



If the shroud is completed, it must also be able to prevent precipitation from entering the reactors, and limit the emission of radiation from the reactors and spent fuel pools. Despite all of the best made plans, utility officials admit they are unsure of if construction can be completed, if it will perform as expected, and how long it may last.

Some of the many unanswered questions are, how much radioactive waste will need to be removed prior to construction, and how will TEPCO accomplish this. If the remote-controlled equipment fails, what is the contingency plan?

Chernobyl Sarcophagus

Similar to Fukushima, the initial Chernobyl Structure was also constructed as an emergency measure to prevent radiation from being released into the atmosphere and further contaminating the northern hemisphere. Only 200 tons of radioactive corium is locked within the structure, a fraction of the amounts estimated to be in the reactors at Fukushima Daiichi. The radioactivity inside of the sarcophagus prevented work from being completed at the time.



1. The structure at Chernobyl was constructed out of more than 7,000 tons of steel and 410,000m3 of concrete
2. Due to harsh construction environment the structure was completed even though it had many defects and cracks that still allowed some radiation to be dispersed.

3. Has not lived up to design expectations

4. Current sarcophagus is not in good shape at all

5. Current sarcophagus would collapse in an earthquake measuring 6 or more

6. Europe is constructing a new dome over contaminated plant to prevent another nuclear disaster.

7. Construction on a new sarcophagus began in 2010 and is expected to be completed in 2012

8. Funding for the new containment shelter was paid for by many countries

9. The new structure completed in 2011 will require further upgrades in 100 years
    
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This does cause the realisation that most of us are surrounded by these, and youre home might be in the next deadzone.. Sure hope theyre going to rebuild the energy sources the green way, could give a boost in ecology/ economy..
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All I can say is, I'm sorry that these scientist were permitted to persuade governments that Nuclear Energy was worth the risk of radiation leaking upon the people world wide, causing innumerable problems which, despite the facts that it indeed happened, it cannot be calculated or measured by any means. I see events like these and I think accountability needs to come into effect, those that pass the bills for Nuclear Energy and people die from it, it indicative to sentencing people to death, someone must pay for those deaths as well, it's still murder, and of the highest form of mass murder when you openly chose to allow it to happen.

With that being said, I will bow out of the discussion of Japan's problems, they brought it upon themselves, they knew there was always the chance that a massive earthquake could happen &/or a Tsunami as well, therefore predicting a possible fallout would be easy to calculate, it's about 1 in 20 years something like this most likely would happen, the truth is, given that fact, what were the odds of the plant(s) melting down?

Knowing those odds was it worth all that risk? You gambled with your people's very lives, and you lost that gamble, I say it's time to pay up, and dearly, those people that you killed, and their families deserve to sue their government, the corporations who got rich from the energy, and anyone else that was on the board for those corporations. It's not a matter of IF they are guilty, they are openly guilty of murder here.
Edited by _GTech - 7/16/11 at 1:00pm
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You need to look up what murder means. There was no intent to kill.
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All I can say is, I'm sorry that these scientist were permitted to persuade governments that Nuclear Energy was worth the risk of radiation leaking upon the people world wide, causing innumerable problems which, despite the facts that it indeed happened, it cannot be calculated or measured by any means. I see events like these and I think accountability needs to come into effect, those that pass the bills for Nuclear Energy and people die from it, it indicative to sentencing people to death, someone must pay for those deaths as well, it's still murder, and of the highest form of mass murder when you openly chose to allow it to happen.

With that being said, I will bow out of the discussion of Japan's problems, they brought it upon themselves, they knew there was always the chance that a massive earthquake could happen &/or a Tsunami as well, therefore predicting a possible fallout would be easy to calculate, it's about 1 in 20 years something like this most likely would happen, the truth is, given that fact, what were the odds of the plant(s) melting down?

Knowing those odds was it worth all that risk? You gambled with your people's very lives, and you lost that gamble, I say it's time to pay up, and dearly, those people that you killed, and their families deserve to sue their government, the corporations who got rich from the energy, and anyone else that was on the board for those corporations. It's not a matter of IF they are guilty, they are openly guilty of murder here.
The number of people killed by nuclear energy pales in comparison to the deaths resulting from fossil fuel pollution, nuclear weapons testing, airplane crashes, road crashes, shootings etc. Seriously, get over it.
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You need to look up what murder means. There was no intent to kill.
and this.
post #2818 of 2836
Nuclear energy is one of the safest power sources out there. Stop being a bunch of wusses. Light water reactors aren't that bad.
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Nuclear energy is one of the safest power sources out there. Stop being a bunch of wusses. Light water reactors aren't that bad.
One of the safest???? If your talking from a political stance yes, nuclear power hasnt killed as many as the war for oil, coal, and natural gas....but if your talking from a strictly energy standpoint can i have whatever your smoking? How is radiation from Chernobyl, Japan, and where ever else that has half lives of thosands of years and most likely contributing big time to the astronomically high cancer rates and making landscapes unlivable for thousands of years safe? You pro nukers are hilarious Wish i could live with my head in the sand.
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One of the safest???? If your talking from a political stance yes, nuclear power hasnt killed as many as the war for oil, coal, and natural gas....but if your talking from a strictly energy standpoint can i have whatever your smoking? How is radiation from Chernobyl, Japan, and where ever else that has half lives of thosands of years and most likely contributing big time to the astronomically high cancer rates and making landscapes unlivable for thousands of years safe? You pro nukers are hilarious
Except you get more radiation from coal plants than nuclear ones. Coal contains uranium, thorium, strontium, etc. And that goes into the air and water! Ew!

Also, you get more radiation from eating a banana or having sex than you do from a nuke plant.

Getting antsy about Chernobyl is like being distraught that the Ford Model A did not have airbags. Perfectly valid point, but we don't allow those on the road anymore.
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