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god i cant stand the voice of the translator on nhk world anymore
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more images from the quake.


An aerial view of the devastation in the town of Onagawa, Japan, on March 13.



A train station vanished from where it once stood in Minami Sanriku, Japan, March 13.



An "SOS" signal is written on the sports field of a high school in Minami Sanriku, Japan, March 13.

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OP Updated - Breaking News - Radiation Levels at Fukushima Plant #1, Reactor #1 are have again exceeded legal maximum exposure limits.
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OP Updated - Breaking News - Radiation Levels at Fukushima Plant #1, Reactor #1 are have again exceeded legal maximum exposure limits.
its going to be doing this off and on for awhile most likely.
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Those of you making the absurd claims that coal ash is somehow worse on the whole than nuclear, tell me this:
When was the last time 200,000 people within a 12 mile radius has had to be evacuated due to a problem at a coal plant?

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McBride and his co-authors estimated that individuals living near coal-fired installations are exposed to a maximum of 1.9 millirems of fly ash radiation yearly. To put these numbers in perspective, the average person encounters 360 millirems of annual "background radiation" from natural and man-made sources, including substances in Earth's crust, cosmic rays, residue from nuclear tests and smoke detectors.
We're not concerned with minimal levels of radiation that occur during typical operation.

We're talking about the problems that occur when something Bad happens.

Coal plant? Not really much of a problem.
Nuclear plant? Run, before you grow another arm (exaggeration, obviously).

Cleaner (aside from the spent fuel, newer reactors deal with this better)? Yes.
Safer? Hell no.
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Those of you making the absurd claims that coal ash is somehow worse on the whole than nuclear, tell me this:
When was the last time 200,000 people within a 12 mile radius has had to be evacuated due to a problem at a coal plant?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsto...h_slurry_spill
Edited by Dyson Poindexter - 3/13/11 at 4:31pm
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Op Updated: Pumping seawater into damaged nuclear reactors in Japan should keep them from a catastrophic full-scale meltdown, but conditions are still so volatile that it is far too early to declare the emergency over, nuclear experts have told Reuters. It is probably the first time in the industry's 57-year history that seawater has been used in this way, a sign of how close Japan is to facing a major nuclear disaster, according to the scientists.

The experts interviewed by Reuters warn it is still far too early to definitively say the day has been saved, especially as the information from the power company and the authorities is incomplete. But they say that with every hour that goes by, the chances of a major catastrophe are diminished - as long as water from the sea or elsewhere keeps reactor cores from overheating. Japanese authorities "appear to be having enough success to have forestalled a definite core melt accident that's difficult to control", said Mark Hibbs of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "After three days that is very good news." But still, he added, it is "a touch-and-go situation"
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Those of you making the absurd claims that coal ash is somehow worse on the whole than nuclear, tell me this:
When was the last time 200,000 people within a 12 mile radius has had to be evacuated due to a problem at a coal plant?


We're not concerned with minimal levels of radiation that occur during typical operation.

We're talking about the problems that occur when something Bad happens.

Coal plant? Not really much of a problem.
Nuclear plant? Run, before you grow another arm (exaggeration, obviously).

Cleaner (aside from the spent fuel, newer reactors deal with this better)? Yes.
Safer? Hell no.
I never made the claim that coal ash was worse than a nuclear meltdown, it is worse than nuclear waste though. Do a bit of research as well, the evacuation is a safety precaution. Obviously if there is even a slim chance of a nuclear meltdown happening they will evacuate, doesn't mean that it WILL meltdown. On that note Something bad has happened, one of the worst natural disasters in a very long time and guess what, Japan isn't covered in nuclear fallout, infact there is barely even increased radiation levels aside from one reactor and that is only in the direct vicinity. This whole ordeal if anything has shown the resilience of even older well built nuclear reactors even after all cooling systems failed and the country was essentially in chaos there STILL isn't an issue on anything larger than a very local scale(as of yet at least.)

Please do some actual research and stop listening to people with clear agendas against nuclear power, even a tiny bit of research on modern plants will show you EXACTLY why they are considered some of the safest plants around.

By your logic cars are far safer than planes because when a plane DOES crash it kills more than a few people despite the fact that there are far more car accidents and despite the fact that percentage wise planes are by order of magnitudes far less likely to crash.
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I never made the claim that coal ash was worse than a nuclear meltdown, it is worse than nuclear waste though. Do a bit of research as well, the evacuation is a safety precaution. Obviously if there is even a slim chance of a nuclear meltdown happening they will evacuate, doesn't mean that it WILL meltdown. On that note Something bad has happened, one of the worst natural disasters in a very long time and guess what, Japan isn't covered in nuclear fallout, infact there is barely even increased radiation levels aside from one reactor and that is only in the direct vicinity. This whole ordeal if anything has shown the resilience of even older well built nuclear reactors even after all cooling systems failed and the country was essentially in chaos there STILL isn't an issue on anything larger than a very local scale(as of yet at least.)

Please do some actual research and stop listening to people with clear agendas against nuclear power, even a tiny bit of research on modern plants will show you EXACTLY why they are considered some of the safest plants around.
I'm less concerned with how safe they claim to be, and more so with with how well they prove to be.

If a shake can cause these kinds of problem, what's going to happen if they had been targeted by an opposing military force via air strike?
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I'm less concerned with how safe they claim to be, and more so with with how well they prove to be.

If a shake can cause these kinds of problem, what's going to happen if they had been targeted by an opposing military force via air strike?
Don't argue in extremes, it makes your case look weak.(which it is)
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