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Yes! I had a feeling I was making the right decision when I bought my 6970 when it first came out, then people kept saying the 570 would have been the better/faster choice... Well now with these new drivers, and some more benchmarks/proof, the 6970 can move past the GTX 570 on the list of cards from fastest to slowest!
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Originally Posted by Electric View Post
Yes! I had a feeling I was making the right decision when I bought my 6970 when it first came out, then people kept saying the 570 would have been the better/faster choice..
Well thats because at initial release the 570 was faster in most games.
That has changed as of late but overall the performance of both GPU's is very similar.

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. Well now with these new drivers, and some more benchmarks/proof, the 6970 can move past the GTX 570 on the list of cards from fastest to slowest!
Don't you mean, slowest to fastest?
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Well thats because at initial release the 570 was faster in most games.
That has changed as of late but overall the performance of both GPU's is very similar.


Don't you mean, slowest to fastest?
I agree, and yes I meant slowest to fastest, haha.
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You may say "5%" faster, or whatever else, but if you want to help people at least post some links or references. Don't throw out things without proof. You've been proven wrong so what else have you got to say? Call others biased and fanboys and all else. I'm not pro-anyone, I use products from both sides, but I'm just sharing my personal 'findings'.. and if that's not allowed because its against what a group of fanboys will believe then please excuse me. I'm not going back and forth on the same thing it's you, as always.

Previously you were hating Nv and now it's AMD. As with most, their loyalties are with the product they have, and some feel the need to justify their decision through comments and remarks such as yours. If you for whatever reason dislike me that is understandable, but don't say whatever i post or link to isn't credible. If you feel the prove your point, as grunion said, do it through action and not words. The reason I bothered with things like this is because a load of people would say how the i3 can't handle modern games and all the rest of it, and I decided to see if that was true. I didn't just go around posting "hey, i3 > i7" or whatever. The only reason I'm posting these things is to help the OP and show him that you're basing facts w/o proof, and that's it. If he felt I wasn't being helpful he can tell me, I don't need to hear it from a third person. Good day.
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post #35 of 96
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Yes! I had a feeling I was making the right decision when I bought my 6970 when it first came out, then people kept saying the 570 would have been the better/faster choice... Well now with these new drivers, and some more benchmarks/proof, the 6970 can move past the GTX 570 on the list of cards from fastest to slowest!
i love these threads, so much bickering over benchmarks and 3 fps...who needs talk shows

i see a lot looking down on their nose at certain nvidia features, say they are irrelevant and don't matter...there are also ones saying they don't even believe the benchmarks or look at them any more...then there are ones who offer fps % increases (from first glance, appear to be "rounded up", as to why, i'm not sure...), so my question to the amd users here, if features don't matter, benchmarks don't matter, and fps increases don't matter...how do you determine the superior card?

you can't use specs either, as they both define what a sp is, and they also tabulate the speed of their vram and sp differently.

yes there are benchmarks out there that are definitely biased towards one over the other, but any benchmark that is "biased" isn't really a benchmark now is it?

so i think at this point, if you remove all the things that have been said that don't matter...it boils down to one conclusion:

pure justifiable fanboism.

when you take away all the ways of proof or only favor the proofs that support your "view", then you can't call it anything but fanboism.

you want to know the reason why i stick with nvidia over ati?

one word: linux

i know most here don't care about the support in linux, but amd graphics card support is absolutely hideous, it is probably the sole reason why i haven't consider ati now amd in several years for graphics cards...

as for windows and gaming...buy what you can afford...look at the reviews, take the comparisons with a grain of salt...deciding on the right graphics card can drive you mad, it is probably why people are fanboi's, if nvidia has never let you down, and they have a good price and the latest features, stick with them, if you want a change or if amd has never let you down, there really isn't a reason to switch, as the cards are very similar in performance and technology.

i will offer this last piece of experience...longevity...i notice ati/amd users upgrading more than nvidia users...as to why, not sure, it is just something i notice, could be due nvidia's rebranding operations that has everyone cagey, or from my experience that ati cards only stand the test of time for a few years, all the ati card's i've owned only last around 2 years, the nvidia cards i've owned are pushing 4 years +, again this is just an observation, i honestly do not have any proof of it, other than my own experience so take it for what it is.

another note to consider, if you use any programs like blender, autodesk programs, photoshop other adobe products, nvidia does have way better opengl support than ati does, all those programs use opengl...so it might be something to consider in that aspect.
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i love these threads, so much bickering over benchmarks and 3 fps...who needs talk shows

i see a lot looking down on their nose at certain nvidia features, say they are irrelevant and don't matter...there are also ones saying they don't even believe the benchmarks or look at them any more...then there are ones who offer fps % increases (from first glance, appear to be "rounded up", as to why, i'm not sure...), so my question to the amd users here, if features don't matter, benchmarks don't matter, and fps increases don't matter...how do you determine the superior card?

you can't use specs either, as they both define what a sp is, and they also tabulate the speed of their vram and sp differently.

yes there are benchmarks out there that are definitely biased towards one over the other, but any benchmark that is "biased" isn't really a benchmark now is it?

so i think at this point, if you remove all the things that have been said that don't matter...it boils down to one conclusion:

pure justifiable fanboism.

when you take away all the ways of proof or only favor the proofs that support your "view", then you can't call it anything but fanboism.

you want to know the reason why i stick with nvidia over ati?

one word: linux

i know most here don't care about the support in linux, but amd graphics card support is absolutely hideous, it is probably the sole reason why i haven't consider ati now amd in several years for graphics cards...

as for windows and gaming...buy what you can afford...look at the reviews, take the comparisons with a grain of salt...deciding on the right graphics card can drive you mad, it is probably why people are fanboi's, if nvidia has never let you down, and they have a good price and the latest features, stick with them, if you want a change or if amd has never let you down, there really isn't a reason to switch, as the cards are very similar in performance and technology.

i will offer this last piece of experience...longevity...i notice ati/amd users upgrading more than nvidia users...as to why, not sure, it is just something i notice, could be due nvidia's rebranding operations that has everyone cagey, or from my experience that ati cards only stand the test of time for a few years, all the ati card's i've owned only last around 2 years, the nvidia cards i've owned are pushing 4 years +, again this is just an observation, i honestly do not have any proof of it, other than my own experience so take it for what it is.

another note to consider, if you use any programs like blender, autodesk programs, photoshop other adobe products, nvidia does have way better opengl support than ati does, all those programs use opengl...so it might be something to consider in that aspect.

Not to be contradictory but, ;-), I have an 8 mb rage 128 in my Linux box and it works just fine. I know what you are saying though, but Ati cards last just fine.

Just buy what you like.
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Originally Posted by [T]yphoon View Post
hot? the GTX 570 (which is the GTX480 but faster in every aspect)? the GTX 480 is a very hot gpu and its damn loud
Also got a EVGA GTX 570 SC on WC and it doesnt go higher then 55 degrees celsius when stressing with Furmark 1.9 (in idle temp goes back to 34 degrees celsius)
also the NVIDIA drivers are better and gives you less BSOD's (never had any though) then you use the AMD/ATI drivers

EDIT: some proof, ran it for 5 minutes and stays stable at 55C http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4...1215233995.png
I have never had any BSOD's with AMD/ATI drivers (I think your making it up). I don't doubt the 570 runs that temp under water, my unlocked 6950 on air runs 50c with ambients in the 20's. The reason I suggested the gtx 480 was bc it will oc way better than the 570.

I am sorry but there is a reason why everyone is defending the 69xx series, its bc they are great cards. They run cooler (in my experience) than their NVIDIA competition and consume less power for around the same performance or better depending on games/benchmarks. Watercooling is the only way to really have a 570 due to heat and the VRMs(I know the VRMs are not cooled by the blocks). If you are not gonna watercool right away I would advise against the 570.
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Not to be contradictory but, ;-), I have an 8 mb rage 128 in my Linux box and it works just fine. I know what you are saying though, but Ati cards last just fine.

Just buy what you like.
oh the legacy ati cards have fantastic support, that mainly due to a dedicated OSS community that maintains them

but the new radeon's(like the 3k+ series), ugh!

i'm sure if i rummaged around in a few boxes, i could find an all-in-wonder card that still works (why ati, why? why did you give up such an awesome card )

i would say in the last 10 years or so, the number of ati cards vs the number of nvidia cards i've replaced, due to them just being dead, the ati numbers are 3 to 4 times higher than the nvidia ones...i'm sure that has to do with the quality of 3rd party vendors as well, not just solely a ati problem...it is such a common occurence that when some one calls me and says "my screen is black" the first question i typical ask is "is it a ati card?" the answer is yes usually...they bring it to me, and its usually a dead card...like i said take it for what it is i'm sure there is plenty of evidence against my observation.
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Funny how people take such offense over what GPU make they prefer.

Personally ive only experienced ATI, 3850 with my dell ran fine, even with a whole lot of hot compoenents and a case with only a 90mm exhaust!!!

I upgraded to a 5750, surpisingly can play all my games at max (even BC2!!).
I got my 5750 when i new nothing at all about computers and i ran it on a 350watt power supply!! (core 2 dou E7300, sound card, 3GB ram, ect) and it seemed to not suck the life from my PSU and turn it into "Flames"

I plan on going for a 6950 (flashed to 6970) aswell.

But as everyone says,

Its all about opinion (most of the time).

Go with the one thats more aesteticly pleasing if you cant decide
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When comparing GPU, CPU, sound cards, etc... I like to look at the benchmark. The benchmark will give me a sense of what I should be expecting if I do purchase the product. What's more important than benchmark is the opinion of forum members such as this. Especially members with credibility and knowledge on the product who's taking their time to even reply to a beat down thread such as this.

Synthetic benchmark will differ from site to site. It's also different when comparing to RL performance. I always give the GTX 570 6/10 wins comparing to a 6970. This recently change when ATI release their new driver, 11.4. The new driver has increase minimum and avg fps to several games. IMO, the table has shifted a little and both are now equal in performance @ 1920x1080.

As for product features, Nvidia has a great feature, NOT PHYSX, I'm talking about CUDA which allow avi files to encode to H.264 at a fast speed. I used this feature with a program called badaboom (I think that's what it's called) to encode different movies and transfer it to my iphone. With my recent purchase of the 6950 I also notice ATI/AMD also had this feature with this card so it was a huge plus to me. Anyways, both card is great for single monitor. Buy whatever appeals to you or what is cheapest.

To Razi3l, hey don't talk about Nvidia you might get Amstech offended. After all, Nvidia gave birth to him

To Amstech.... so you still haven't answer my question. Which option would you pick.
1. Crossfire/SLI or
2. Single GPU with a dedicated physx card?
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